I'm using the Imprudence latest weekly build, lets test it out as avatars start to arive.
here's the specs
Imprudence 1.3.0 Weekly: 2010-08-07 / Second Life 1.23.5 (136262), Aug 7 2010 09:34:11
Release Notes
Grid: Second Life (secondlife)
Built with MSVC version 1400
You are at 233373.1, 260992.3, 22.0 in ThorneBridgeTown located at sim20346.agni.lindenlab.com (216.82.27.121:13000)
Second Life Server 1.40.4.207155
Release Notes
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 (Unknown model) (3391 MHz)
Memory: 1023 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8400 GS/PCI/SSE2
Windows Graphics Driver Version: 6.14.0012.5896
OpenGL Version: 3.3.0
libcurl Version: libcurl/7.18.1 OpenSSL/0.9.8j zlib/1.2.3
J2C Decoder Version: OpenJPEG: 1.4.0.565, Runtime: 1.4.0.565
Audio Driver Version: OpenAL, version 1.1 ALSOFT 1.6.372 / OpenAL Community / OpenAL Soft: DirectSound Software
GStreamer Version: 0.10.20.1
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.34769 (Mozilla GRE version 1.8.1.21_0000000000)
Packets Lost: 213/264247 (0.1%)
the meeting will be starting soon, I'm just dying to see what happens, I may even try logging in with Kirstens S(20) :_)
I'm guessing this particular sim is running on a newer class 5 server
Ok here is the transcript from the AWG meeting today, if they dont like me posting it here then Sue me. And I dont get along very well with one of the founding members.
[09:10 AM] JayR Cela: wow this simm is really running great my FPS is high and my bandwith is the best I have ever seen
[09:10 AM] Dzonatas Sol: Some events yesterday happened quicker than I thought... or mapped their possibility to happen. =)
[09:18 AM] ninjaxs Nider is Offline
[09:19 AM] Austina Magic is Online
[09:23 AM] Tommy Parrott is Offline
[09:25 AM] Imaze Rhiano: someone's VISTA AO is missing lot's of animations
[09:26 AM] Identity Euler: hi ㋡
[09:26 AM] JayR Cela: on a Vista box ?/ may have to try running SL in XP compatibility mode
[09:26 AM] Imaze Rhiano: hi
[09:26 AM] Imaze Rhiano: lol Jay
[09:27 AM] JayR Cela: lol / well it worked for me / same with Win 7
[09:27 AM] JayR Cela: hi Morgaine
[09:29 AM] Malburns Writer is Online
[09:29 AM] XLR8RRICK Hudson: Greetings
[09:29 AM] Imaze Rhiano: hi
[09:30 AM] JayR Cela: howdy XL
[09:30 AM] Imaze Rhiano: running somekind shield, XL?
[09:31 AM] XLR8RRICK Hudson: yes Bye Bye Copybot
[09:31 AM] Imaze Rhiano: pfft
[09:31 AM] Latif Khalifa: lol
[09:31 AM] XLR8RRICK Hudson: dont know if it works
[09:31 AM] Imaze Rhiano: how much did you paid?
[09:31 AM] Latif Khalifa: i should copybot him just to show him just how silly he is :P
[09:31 AM] XLR8RRICK Hudson: Freebie
[09:32 AM] XLR8RRICK Hudson: Latif no
[09:32 AM] Latif Khalifa: no what?
[09:32 AM] XLR8RRICK Hudson: No Show me
[09:32 AM] XLR8RRICK Hudson: I want to feel somewhat secure
[09:32 AM] Latif Khalifa: lol
[09:33 AM] Imaze Rhiano: lol
[09:33 AM] XLR8RRICK Hudson: Apperently if a copybotter right clicks me they crash
[09:33 AM] Latif Khalifa: lol
[09:34 AM] Imaze Rhiano: ooookay :P
[09:34 AM] XLR8RRICK Hudson: Its from Phox from Emerald
[09:34 AM] JayR Cela: Emeradl is a dead issue
[09:34 AM] XLR8RRICK Hudson: why is that Jay
[09:35 AM] Malburns Writer is Offline
[09:35 AM] JayR Cela: several devs left
[09:35 AM] Imaze Rhiano sighs...
[09:35 AM] XLR8RRICK Hudson: oh no
[09:36 AM] JayR Cela: and i got tired of showing up naked in clubs / when on my screen i looked fine / even pictures i took showed me as being fully clothed / other people took pictures and i was naked
[09:37 AM] Malburns Writer is Online
[09:37 AM] Rex Cronon is Online
[09:37 AM] XLR8RRICK Hudson: Oh man do I have any clothes on
[09:37 AM] JayR Cela: you look ok on my screen XL
[09:38 AM] Mojito Sorbet: So is trying to convince somebody that they are naked, when in fact they are not, is a form of griefing? :)
[09:38 AM] Razitra Artizar is Offline
[09:38 AM] XLR8RRICK Hudson: I did hear Morgaine's comments yesterday at Triage about Emerald
[09:39 AM] Pinksurfer Mistwalker is Online
[09:39 AM] Mojito Sorbet: heh. is that logged?
[09:39 AM] Morgaine Dinova: Soft didn't say when LL's deadline to Emerald expires. When it does, presumably Emerald are off the TPV Directory.
[09:40 AM] XLR8RRICK Hudson: That will be a huge kick in the head
[09:40 AM] Mojito Sorbet: WHat deadline is this?
[09:40 AM] Imaze Rhiano: Do I have clothes on?
[09:41 AM] Morgaine Dinova: I expect they'll comply. Their profits stem from having good PR, they hide behind that, so wouldn't want to lose it.
[09:41 AM] XLR8RRICK Hudson: No transcript yet
[09:41 AM] JayR Cela: Morgaine why wont you talk to me ?
[09:41 AM] Mojito Sorbet: WHat is the deadline for?
[09:42 AM] JayR Cela: did i accidently mute you ?
[09:42 AM] Morgaine Dinova: Mojito: Emerald's revealing of people's home directories was "totally unacceptable" according to Soft. He passed the full details up the management chain, and apparently Emerald have been given a deadline. Beyond that, we don't know anything.
[09:42 AM] XLR8RRICK Hudson: I see some clothes on you Imaze
[09:42 AM] Imaze Rhiano: she would be gray for you if you did mute her
[09:42 AM] Imaze Rhiano: "some clothes" ?
[09:43 AM] XLR8RRICK Hudson: •´¨*•.¸. HahahaA •´¨*•.¸.
[09:43 AM] JayR Cela: well i must of pissed her off
[09:43 AM] Morgaine Dinova: JayR: got an interesting question?
[09:43 AM] Imaze Rhiano: revealing other people's directories?
[09:44 AM] XLR8RRICK Hudson: I have what was said
[09:44 AM] JayR Cela: ok Morgaine / whats your question ?
[09:44 AM] Rex Cronon is Online
[09:44 AM] JayR Cela: I'm waiting / coff it up
[09:45 AM] Morgaine Dinova: Imaze: they encode people's home directory pathnames in bake images, available to anyone who wants to look.
[09:45 AM] PrettyB Durant is Online
[09:45 AM] Mojito Sorbet: So I can see you are really /home/MargaretThatcher
[09:45 AM] Latif Khalifa: lolol
[09:46 AM] Imaze Rhiano: nice one
[09:46 AM] Arkal Eisbar is Online
[09:46 AM] Mojito Sorbet: Quick, everyone rename their home directory to a hash of their real name...
[09:46 AM] Rex Cronon: hello everybody
[09:46 AM] JayR Cela: Morgaine I still waiting for your question
[09:47 AM] Dahlia Trimble: hi :)
[09:47 AM] Latif Khalifa: hey Dahlia :)
[09:47 AM] JayR Cela: hi there Rex *bigg huggs*
[09:47 AM] Rex Cronon: hi jayr, dahlia
[09:48 AM] Dahlia Trimble: any word from Zha?
[09:48 AM] Morgaine Dinova: Not heard from Zha
[09:48 AM] Mojito Sorbet: Wasn't Zha going to Boston for SLCC?
[09:49 AM] Dahlia Trimble: last I heard they were taking her father to the hospital
[09:49 AM] Mojito Sorbet: oops
[09:49 AM] JayR Cela: i dont know what your problem is Morgaine / but you pissing me off / ask your question or shut the hell up
[09:49 AM] Dahlia Trimble: o.0
[09:49 AM] Imaze Rhiano: it just matter if you installed your emerald to home directory - http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/general-sl-discussion/46921-emerald-caught-another-tvp-violation.html
[09:51 AM] Allan Sixpence is Online
[09:51 AM] Morgaine Dinova: Anyone got any good topics, in the absence of Zha? :-)
[09:51 AM] JayR Cela: yeah I do ......
[09:51 AM] Morgaine Dinova: Has anyone tried the LightShare thing for Opensim + Imprudence?
[09:51 AM] Rex Cronon: what if sombody had the user name on their computer bill gates:)
[09:52 AM] Imaze Rhiano: I doubt that billy is running Linux or Mac
[09:52 AM] JayR Cela: Kirstens Viewer 2 S(20) build (31) is very good
[09:52 AM] Dahlia Trimble: LOL
[09:52 AM] JayR Cela: and so is the latest weekly Imprudence build
[09:52 AM] XLR8RRICK Hudson: I dont see any directory info in the Client column
[09:53 AM] Imaze Rhiano: didn't like from Kirsten - it didn't load all textures for me :(
[09:53 AM] XLR8RRICK Hudson: I am on 2439
[09:53 AM] JayR Cela: you can check my blogg
[09:53 AM] Imaze Rhiano: and didn't like from UI either :(
[09:53 AM] Dahlia Trimble: I'm using V2.1 right now, with the transparency mod it's tolerable as long as I dont try to do any building or scripting
[09:53 AM] Malburns Writer is Offline
[09:53 AM] JayR Cela: http://jayrcelasecondlifetechnologist.blogspot.com/
[09:53 AM] Dahlia Trimble: tolerable, but not optimal
[09:53 AM] xstorm Radek: sorry if i have bump in to any one
[09:54 AM] Dale Innis is Offline
[09:54 AM] XLR8RRICK Hudson: Hi xstorm
[09:54 AM] xstorm Radek: i have some one been living on the Aditi test server
[09:54 AM] Rex Cronon: is not like these aves r made of rose petals, xstorm:)
[09:54 AM] JayR Cela: well i think V2 is still a disaster / but Kirsten has managed to make it very usable
[09:55 AM] KAYDEN Colman is Online
[09:55 AM] Honour McMillan: speak for yourself Rex :)
[09:55 AM] Dahlia Trimble: kirsten has some nice improvements
[09:55 AM] Rex Cronon: u r so fragile?
[09:55 AM] Honour McMillan: although Xstorm isn't on top of anybody I can see
[09:55 AM] Honour McMillan: I'm a dainty little thing :)
[09:55 AM] xstorm Radek: i have found some problems that may effect opensim and agni servers and any others linking them to each other
[09:55 AM] Rex Cronon: shall i wisheper? i don't really want to break u:)
[09:55 AM] PrettyB Durant is Offline
[09:55 AM] Honour McMillan: lol
[09:55 AM] Rex Cronon: wisper*
[09:56 AM] Honour McMillan: sorry Xstorm - what have you found?
[09:56 AM] Dahlia Trimble: opensim and agni servers linked?
[09:56 AM] Sunset Pevensey is Online
[09:56 AM] JayR Cela: xstorm / oh???? explain further please
[09:56 AM] xstorm Radek: it looks like data from one server to another can happen do to a lack of any filters to stop it
[09:57 AM] Rex Cronon: AFK...............................
[09:57 AM] Rex Cronon: i will be afk for a while
[09:57 AM] Morgaine Dinova: I'm on the latest Imprudence weekly, which has Robin's patches for HTTP Textures applied. Yet, I'm not getting the flakiness that Robin and Latif experienced with Snowglobe. It's a bit odd, should be same code.
[09:57 AM] Pinksurfer Mistwalker is Offline
[09:57 AM] Honour McMillan: data as in any data? account data?
[09:57 AM] Dahlia Trimble: I was using imprudence but I couldnt get sound to work and I was missing too many IMs
[09:57 AM] JayR Cela: Imprudence is working pretty good for me
[09:58 AM] Hinamori Burleigh is Online
[09:58 AM] Dahlia Trimble: imprudence is pretty nice otherwise
[09:58 AM] Simonie Swain is Offline
[09:58 AM] Morgaine Dinova: Dahlia: "missing IMs" how?
[09:58 AM] Dahlia Trimble: dont hear the beep when I get new ones
[09:58 AM] Latif Khalifa: i can't stand vertical im tabs in "improved" profile in imprudence
[09:58 AM] JayR Cela: i dont seem to be missing any IM's
[09:59 AM] Hinamori Burleigh is Offline
[09:59 AM] xstorm Radek: to help people understand better lets say user A buys some thing on one server and that information is cache then they go to another server and that information and item can end up on that server
[09:59 AM] Dahlia Trimble: I also didnt like the new mini map in imprusdence, cant see the region boundaries anymore and its too big
[10:00 AM] Hinamori Burleigh is Online
[10:00 AM] Morgaine Dinova: Latif: I didn't realize there was more than one option on vertical tabs. What's the one you don't like?
[10:01 AM] xstorm Radek: so if the maker of the venders do not restric and define the server the item is to me one then this can happen
[10:01 AM] xstorm Radek: be
[10:01 AM] xstorm Radek: on
[10:01 AM] Latif Khalifa: I don't want vertical tabs at all, i want them like in the regular 1.23.5 below the IM
[10:01 AM] Simonie Swain is Online
[10:01 AM] Latif Khalifa: not on the side taking space
[10:01 AM] Morgaine Dinova: Dahlia: yeah, there's something I'm not keep on with the minimap. Haven't really thought about it much, but something's wonky about it.
[10:01 AM] PrettyB Durant is Online
[10:01 AM] Morgaine Dinova: keen*
[10:02 AM] Dahlia Trimble: the new radar is nice but it needs works
[10:02 AM] xstorm Radek: i have been testing this and now will have to report my findings
[10:02 AM] Dahlia Trimble: *work
[10:03 AM] Imaze Rhiano: I like from Imprudence radar/minimap
[10:03 AM] Morgaine Dinova: Latif: well horizontal tabs are always available, aren't they? I can't use them because the tabs go right off the screen, and I'm on 1920x1200 with 0.850 UIScale.
[10:03 AM] xstorm Radek: but it be nice if others can test this too on agni and aditi and see if information text and objects do this for them too
[10:03 AM] redd Jimador is Online
[10:04 AM] Honour McMillan: don't stop working this Xstorm - if I had the technical ability I would test as well
[10:04 AM] Latif Khalifa: Morgaine, if they are, I couldn't find the switch to display them in standard 1.23.5 mode
[10:04 AM] xstorm Radek: can any one test it on open sim ?
[10:04 AM] Dahlia Trimble: xstorm, you mean it's not working?
[10:04 AM] Hinamori Burleigh is Offline
[10:04 AM] Morgaine Dinova: Latif: if I find the switch, I'll poke you
[10:04 AM] Hinamori Burleigh is Online
[10:05 AM] xstorm Radek: problem is data leak from one server to another can make problems
[10:05 AM] Dahlia Trimble: what kind of data?
[10:05 AM] xstorm Radek: and if its the viewer cache doing this it needs to be fix
[10:05 AM] xstorm Radek: objects and text
[10:05 AM] xstorm Radek: plus settings
[10:06 AM] Kendra Ling is Online
[10:06 AM] Dahlia Trimble: text? like floating text?
[10:06 AM] xstorm Radek: no
[10:06 AM] xstorm Radek: messages and real objects such as things you buy
[10:06 AM] Dahlia Trimble: email?
[10:07 AM] Morgaine Dinova: Latif: Prefs->Communication->Vertical IM tabs (requires restart)
[10:07 AM] xstorm Radek: no
[10:07 AM] Dahlia Trimble: I dont understand at all
[10:07 AM] Latif Khalifa: Morgaine, cool thanks
[10:07 AM] XLR8RRICK Hudson: I use Vertical tabs and really like them
[10:07 AM] xstorm Radek: IM's , error messages , system restarts and other data
[10:08 AM] Latif Khalifa: they have the latest build with http texture fixes in bindary build for windows?
[10:08 AM] Dahlia Trimble: you mean you're able to see data that shouldnt be visible?
[10:09 AM] xstorm Radek: i thing Morgaine is more then right when she did say there is a problem with the cache system
[10:09 AM] Imaze Rhiano: You mean that you bought item from GRID X - then moved to GRID Y - and item moved to GRID Y, because it was cached to viewer cache?
[10:09 AM] Simonie Swain is Offline
[10:10 AM] xstorm Radek: its holding information from one server such as Aditi andmoving it to Agni
[10:10 AM] Dahlia Trimble: oh.... the object cache?
[10:10 AM] xstorm Radek: this can make problems on the server
[10:10 AM] xstorm Radek: yes
[10:10 AM] Dahlia Trimble: ah sure I see a potential problem
[10:10 AM] xstorm Radek: buy information was mirror
[10:11 AM] Morgaine Dinova: Latif: McCabe said this morning that the latest weekly has Robin's HTTP Texture patches. I'm running it right not, seems fine. That said, Robin's been making patches continuously I think, and the weekly is dated Aug 07, so it can't have all the patches. If I have trouble I'll look for McCabe's bleeding edge branch.
[10:11 AM] Morgaine Dinova: now*
[10:11 AM] Dahlia Trimble: the object cacne is indexed by region coordinates on the grid?
[10:11 AM] Dahlia Trimble: so different grids with the same coordinates, could cause a conflict
[10:11 AM] JayR Cela: yep Imprudence is working great for me
[10:12 AM] xstorm Radek: seems not to be it looks like LL forgot to put what server the cache did come from
[10:12 AM] Latif Khalifa: Dahlia, the conflict will not do anything bad since each prim's CRC is checked
[10:12 AM] Dahlia Trimble: or what grid
[10:12 AM] xstorm Radek: thats right
[10:12 AM] Dahlia Trimble: depends on how complete the crc is?
[10:12 AM] Latif Khalifa: brb, checking out imprudence weekly
[10:13 AM] xstorm Radek: this is going to make a bad Jira i will have to file
[10:13 AM] Morgaine Dinova: Jiras are like /dev/null currently.
[10:14 AM] Latif Khalifa: ugh, ugly fonts
[10:14 AM] xstorm Radek: greetings Mel
[10:14 AM] Dahlia Trimble: I dont believe OpenSim uses the object cache
[10:14 AM] Melchizedek Blauvelt: hi X, all
[10:14 AM] XLR8RRICK Hudson: Hi Mel
[10:14 AM] xstorm Radek: problem is opensim use cache too
[10:15 AM] Dahlia Trimble: I dont think it knows it's there
[10:15 AM] xstorm Radek: as long as it use the same user viewer
[10:15 AM] Morgaine Dinova: Dahlia, you're right, but I asked at last week's OSgrid meeting, and a person said they almost had it fixed.
[10:15 AM] Latif Khalifa: why do imprudence people "fix" things that need no fixing lol
[10:15 AM] Pinksurfer Mistwalker is Online
[10:15 AM] Morgaine Dinova: Dahlia: think it was "Reverand" something, ring a bell?
[10:15 AM] Dahlia Trimble: had the cache fixed?
[10:16 AM] xstorm Radek: cache needs more then to be fix
[10:16 AM] Dahlia Trimble: rings a bell...
[10:16 AM] Morgaine Dinova: Yeah, he said there were a few bits that needed change, not just the CRC
[10:16 AM] xstorm Radek: if this happens with user data in SL then it can happen with any system that use a cache based system
[10:16 AM] Dahlia Trimble: I dont think OpenSim sends anything to the viewer to tell it to pull stuff from the cache
[10:17 AM] Dahlia Trimble: whatever teh viewer stores in it is out of the sim's control
[10:17 AM] JayR Cela: well I'm fed up with lil ms. know it all, see ya around Morgaine
[10:17 AM] Latif Khalifa: bah
[10:17 AM] xstorm Radek: and for people that work with metadata this is not at all good
[10:17 AM] xstorm Radek: its dirty programing
As you can see this group is a whole lot of talk, but that's about it.
