Tuesday, August 10, 2010

SecondLife ( R ) I'm back in the AWG

  Yep I'm back, gonna hang out with the movers and shakers in SL again. I think I'll just post todays meeting transcript, and let you be the judge.

  I'm using the Imprudence latest weekly build, lets test it out as avatars start to arive.
Wow 21 FPS on my old P4
here's the specs

Imprudence 1.3.0 Weekly: 2010-08-07 / Second Life 1.23.5 (136262), Aug  7 2010 09:34:11
Release Notes

Grid: Second Life (secondlife)

Built with MSVC version 1400

You are at 233373.1, 260992.3, 22.0 in ThorneBridgeTown located at sim20346.agni.lindenlab.com (
Second Life Server
Release Notes

CPU: Intel Pentium 4 (Unknown model) (3391 MHz)
Memory: 1023 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (Build 2600)
Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Graphics Card: GeForce 8400 GS/PCI/SSE2
Windows Graphics Driver Version: 6.14.0012.5896
OpenGL Version: 3.3.0

libcurl Version: libcurl/7.18.1 OpenSSL/0.9.8j zlib/1.2.3
J2C Decoder Version: OpenJPEG:, Runtime:
Audio Driver Version: OpenAL, version 1.1 ALSOFT 1.6.372 / OpenAL Community / OpenAL Soft: DirectSound Software
GStreamer Version:
LLMozLib Version: [LLMediaImplLLMozLib] - 2.01.34769 (Mozilla GRE version
Packets Lost: 213/264247 (0.1%)

the meeting will be starting soon, I'm just dying to see what happens, I may even try logging in with Kirstens S(20) :_)

  I'm guessing this particular sim is running on a newer class 5 server

Ok here is the transcript from the AWG meeting today, if they dont like me posting it here then Sue me. And I dont get along very well with one of the founding members. 

[09:10 AM]  JayR Cela: wow this simm is really running great my FPS is high and my bandwith is the best I have ever seen
[09:10 AM]  Dzonatas Sol: Some events yesterday happened quicker than I thought... or mapped their possibility to happen. =)
[09:18 AM]  ninjaxs Nider is Offline
[09:19 AM]  Austina Magic is Online
[09:23 AM]  Tommy Parrott is Offline
[09:25 AM]  Imaze Rhiano: someone's VISTA AO is missing lot's of animations
[09:26 AM]  Identity Euler: hi ㋡
[09:26 AM]  JayR Cela: on a Vista box ?/ may have to try running SL in XP compatibility mode
[09:26 AM]  Imaze Rhiano: hi
[09:26 AM]  Imaze Rhiano: lol Jay
[09:27 AM]  JayR Cela: lol / well it worked for me / same with Win 7
[09:27 AM]  JayR Cela: hi Morgaine
[09:29 AM]  Malburns Writer is Online
[09:29 AM]  XLR8RRICK Hudson: Greetings
[09:29 AM]  Imaze Rhiano: hi
[09:30 AM]  JayR Cela: howdy XL
[09:30 AM]  Imaze Rhiano: running somekind shield, XL?
[09:31 AM]  XLR8RRICK Hudson: yes Bye Bye Copybot
[09:31 AM]  Imaze Rhiano: pfft
[09:31 AM]  Latif Khalifa: lol
[09:31 AM]  XLR8RRICK Hudson: dont know if it works
[09:31 AM]  Imaze Rhiano: how much did you paid?
[09:31 AM]  Latif Khalifa: i should copybot him just to show him just how silly he is :P
[09:31 AM]  XLR8RRICK Hudson: Freebie
[09:32 AM]  XLR8RRICK Hudson: Latif no
[09:32 AM]  Latif Khalifa: no what?
[09:32 AM]  XLR8RRICK Hudson: No Show me
[09:32 AM]  XLR8RRICK Hudson: I want to feel somewhat secure
[09:32 AM]  Latif Khalifa: lol
[09:33 AM]  Imaze Rhiano: lol
[09:33 AM]  XLR8RRICK Hudson: Apperently if a copybotter right clicks me they crash
[09:33 AM]  Latif Khalifa: lol
[09:34 AM]  Imaze Rhiano: ooookay :P
[09:34 AM]  XLR8RRICK Hudson: Its from Phox from Emerald
[09:34 AM]  JayR Cela: Emeradl is a dead issue
[09:34 AM]  XLR8RRICK Hudson: why is that Jay
[09:35 AM]  Malburns Writer is Offline
[09:35 AM]  JayR Cela: several devs left
[09:35 AM]  Imaze Rhiano sighs...
[09:35 AM]  XLR8RRICK Hudson: oh no
[09:36 AM]  JayR Cela: and i got tired of showing up naked in clubs / when on my screen i looked fine / even pictures i took showed me as being fully clothed / other people took pictures and i was naked
[09:37 AM]  Malburns Writer is Online
[09:37 AM]  Rex Cronon is Online
[09:37 AM]  XLR8RRICK Hudson: Oh man do I have any clothes on
[09:37 AM]  JayR Cela: you look ok on my screen XL
[09:38 AM]  Mojito Sorbet: So is trying to convince somebody that they are naked, when in fact they are not, is a form of griefing? :)
[09:38 AM]  Razitra Artizar is Offline
[09:38 AM]  XLR8RRICK Hudson: I did hear Morgaine's comments yesterday at Triage about Emerald
[09:39 AM]  Pinksurfer Mistwalker is Online
[09:39 AM]  Mojito Sorbet: heh. is that logged?
[09:39 AM]  Morgaine Dinova: Soft didn't say when LL's deadline to Emerald expires. When it does, presumably Emerald are off the TPV Directory.
[09:40 AM]  XLR8RRICK Hudson: That will be a huge kick in the head
[09:40 AM]  Mojito Sorbet: WHat deadline is this?
[09:40 AM]  Imaze Rhiano: Do I have clothes on?
[09:41 AM]  Morgaine Dinova: I expect they'll comply. Their profits stem from having good PR, they hide behind that, so wouldn't want to lose it.
[09:41 AM]  XLR8RRICK Hudson: No transcript yet
[09:41 AM]  JayR Cela: Morgaine why wont you talk to me ?
[09:41 AM]  Mojito Sorbet: WHat is the deadline for?
[09:42 AM]  JayR Cela: did i accidently mute you ?
[09:42 AM]  Morgaine Dinova: Mojito: Emerald's revealing of people's home directories was "totally unacceptable" according to Soft. He passed the full details up the management chain, and apparently Emerald have been given a deadline. Beyond that, we don't know anything.
[09:42 AM]  XLR8RRICK Hudson: I see some clothes on you Imaze
[09:42 AM]  Imaze Rhiano: she would be gray for you if you did mute her
[09:42 AM]  Imaze Rhiano: "some clothes" ?
[09:43 AM]  XLR8RRICK Hudson: •´¨*•.¸. HahahaA •´¨*•.¸.
[09:43 AM]  JayR Cela: well i must of pissed her off
[09:43 AM]  Morgaine Dinova: JayR: got an interesting question?
[09:43 AM]  Imaze Rhiano: revealing other people's directories?
[09:44 AM]  XLR8RRICK Hudson: I have what was said
[09:44 AM]  JayR Cela: ok Morgaine / whats your question ?
[09:44 AM]  Rex Cronon is Online
[09:44 AM]  JayR Cela: I'm waiting / coff it up
[09:45 AM]  Morgaine Dinova: Imaze: they encode people's home directory pathnames in bake images, available to anyone who wants to look.
[09:45 AM]  PrettyB Durant is Online
[09:45 AM]  Mojito Sorbet: So I can see you are really /home/MargaretThatcher
[09:45 AM]  Latif Khalifa: lolol
[09:46 AM]  Imaze Rhiano: nice one
[09:46 AM]  Arkal Eisbar is Online
[09:46 AM]  Mojito Sorbet: Quick, everyone rename their home directory to a hash of their real name...
[09:46 AM]  Rex Cronon: hello everybody
[09:46 AM]  JayR Cela: Morgaine I still waiting for your question
[09:47 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: hi :)
[09:47 AM]  Latif Khalifa: hey Dahlia :)
[09:47 AM]  JayR Cela: hi there Rex *bigg huggs*
[09:47 AM]  Rex Cronon: hi jayr, dahlia
[09:48 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: any word from Zha?
[09:48 AM]  Morgaine Dinova: Not heard from Zha
[09:48 AM]  Mojito Sorbet: Wasn't Zha going to Boston for SLCC?
[09:49 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: last I heard they were taking her father to the hospital
[09:49 AM]  Mojito Sorbet: oops
[09:49 AM]  JayR Cela: i dont know what your problem is Morgaine / but you pissing me off / ask your question or shut the hell up
[09:49 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: o.0
[09:49 AM]  Imaze Rhiano: it just matter if you installed your emerald to home directory - http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/general-sl-discussion/46921-emerald-caught-another-tvp-violation.html
[09:51 AM]  Allan Sixpence is Online
[09:51 AM]  Morgaine Dinova: Anyone got any good topics, in the absence of Zha? :-)
[09:51 AM]  JayR Cela: yeah I do ......
[09:51 AM]  Morgaine Dinova: Has anyone tried the LightShare thing for Opensim + Imprudence?
[09:51 AM]  Rex Cronon: what if sombody had the user name on their computer bill gates:)
[09:52 AM]  Imaze Rhiano: I doubt that billy is running Linux or Mac
[09:52 AM]  JayR Cela: Kirstens Viewer 2 S(20) build (31) is very good
[09:52 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: LOL
[09:52 AM]  JayR Cela: and so is the latest weekly Imprudence build
[09:52 AM]  XLR8RRICK Hudson: I dont see any directory info in the Client column
[09:53 AM]  Imaze Rhiano: didn't like from Kirsten - it didn't load all textures for me :(
[09:53 AM]  XLR8RRICK Hudson: I am on 2439
[09:53 AM]  JayR Cela: you can check my blogg
[09:53 AM]  Imaze Rhiano: and didn't like from UI either :(
[09:53 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: I'm using V2.1 right now, with the transparency mod it's tolerable as long as I dont try to do any building or scripting
[09:53 AM]  Malburns Writer is Offline
[09:53 AM]  JayR Cela: http://jayrcelasecondlifetechnologist.blogspot.com/
[09:53 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: tolerable, but not optimal
[09:53 AM]  xstorm Radek: sorry if i have bump in to any one
[09:54 AM]  Dale Innis is Offline
[09:54 AM]  XLR8RRICK Hudson: Hi xstorm
[09:54 AM]  xstorm Radek: i have some one been living on the Aditi test server
[09:54 AM]  Rex Cronon: is not like these aves r made of rose petals, xstorm:)
[09:54 AM]  JayR Cela: well i think V2 is still a disaster / but Kirsten has managed to make it very usable
[09:55 AM]  KAYDEN Colman is Online
[09:55 AM]  Honour McMillan: speak for yourself Rex :)
[09:55 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: kirsten has some nice improvements
[09:55 AM]  Rex Cronon: u r so fragile?
[09:55 AM]  Honour McMillan: although Xstorm isn't on top of anybody I can see
[09:55 AM]  Honour McMillan: I'm a dainty little thing :)
[09:55 AM]  xstorm Radek: i have found some problems that may effect opensim and agni servers and any others linking them to each other
[09:55 AM]  Rex Cronon: shall i wisheper? i don't really want to break u:)
[09:55 AM]  PrettyB Durant is Offline
[09:55 AM]  Honour McMillan: lol
[09:55 AM]  Rex Cronon: wisper*
[09:56 AM]  Honour McMillan: sorry Xstorm - what have you found?
[09:56 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: opensim and agni servers linked?
[09:56 AM]  Sunset Pevensey is Online
[09:56 AM]  JayR Cela: xstorm / oh???? explain further please
[09:56 AM]  xstorm Radek: it looks like data from one server to another can happen do to a lack of any filters to stop it
[09:57 AM]  Rex Cronon: AFK...............................
[09:57 AM]  Rex Cronon: i will be afk for a while
[09:57 AM]  Morgaine Dinova: I'm on the latest Imprudence weekly, which has Robin's patches for HTTP Textures applied. Yet, I'm not getting the flakiness that Robin and Latif experienced with Snowglobe. It's a bit odd, should be same code.
[09:57 AM]  Pinksurfer Mistwalker is Offline
[09:57 AM]  Honour McMillan: data as in any data? account data?
[09:57 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: I was using imprudence but I couldnt get sound to work and I was missing too many IMs
[09:57 AM]  JayR Cela: Imprudence is working pretty good for me
[09:58 AM]  Hinamori Burleigh is Online
[09:58 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: imprudence is pretty nice otherwise
[09:58 AM]  Simonie Swain is Offline
[09:58 AM]  Morgaine Dinova: Dahlia: "missing IMs" how?
[09:58 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: dont hear the beep when I get new ones
[09:58 AM]  Latif Khalifa: i can't stand vertical im tabs in "improved" profile in imprudence
[09:58 AM]  JayR Cela: i dont seem to be missing any IM's
[09:59 AM]  Hinamori Burleigh is Offline
[09:59 AM]  xstorm Radek: to help people understand better lets say user A buys some thing on one server and that information is cache then they go to another server and that information and item can end up on that server
[09:59 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: I also didnt like the new mini map in imprusdence, cant see the region boundaries anymore and its too big
[10:00 AM]  Hinamori Burleigh is Online
[10:00 AM]  Morgaine Dinova: Latif: I didn't realize there was more than one option on vertical tabs. What's the one you don't like?
[10:01 AM]  xstorm Radek: so if the maker of the venders do not restric and define the server the item is to me one then this can happen
[10:01 AM]  xstorm Radek: be
[10:01 AM]  xstorm Radek: on
[10:01 AM]  Latif Khalifa: I don't want vertical tabs at all, i want them like in the regular 1.23.5 below the IM
[10:01 AM]  Simonie Swain is Online
[10:01 AM]  Latif Khalifa: not on the side taking space
[10:01 AM]  Morgaine Dinova: Dahlia: yeah, there's something I'm not keep on with the minimap. Haven't really thought about it much, but something's wonky about it.
[10:01 AM]  PrettyB Durant is Online
[10:01 AM]  Morgaine Dinova: keen*
[10:02 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: the new radar is nice but it needs works
[10:02 AM]  xstorm Radek: i have been testing this and now will have to report my findings
[10:02 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: *work
[10:03 AM]  Imaze Rhiano: I like from Imprudence radar/minimap
[10:03 AM]  Morgaine Dinova: Latif: well horizontal tabs are always available, aren't they? I can't use them because the tabs go right off the screen, and I'm on 1920x1200 with 0.850 UIScale.
[10:03 AM]  xstorm Radek: but it be nice if others can test this too on agni and aditi and see if information text and objects do this for them too
[10:03 AM]  redd Jimador is Online
[10:04 AM]  Honour McMillan: don't stop working this Xstorm - if I had the technical ability I would test as well
[10:04 AM]  Latif Khalifa: Morgaine, if they are, I couldn't find the switch to display them in standard 1.23.5 mode
[10:04 AM]  xstorm Radek: can any one test it on open sim ?
[10:04 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: xstorm, you mean it's not working?
[10:04 AM]  Hinamori Burleigh is Offline
[10:04 AM]  Morgaine Dinova: Latif: if I find the switch, I'll poke you
[10:04 AM]  Hinamori Burleigh is Online
[10:05 AM]  xstorm Radek: problem is data leak from one server to another can make problems
[10:05 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: what kind of data?
[10:05 AM]  xstorm Radek: and if its the viewer cache doing this it needs to be fix
[10:05 AM]  xstorm Radek: objects and text
[10:05 AM]  xstorm Radek: plus settings
[10:06 AM]  Kendra Ling is Online
[10:06 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: text? like floating text?
[10:06 AM]  xstorm Radek: no
[10:06 AM]  xstorm Radek: messages and real objects such as things you buy
[10:06 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: email?
[10:07 AM]  Morgaine Dinova: Latif: Prefs->Communication->Vertical IM tabs (requires restart)
[10:07 AM]  xstorm Radek: no
[10:07 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: I dont understand at all
[10:07 AM]  Latif Khalifa: Morgaine, cool thanks
[10:07 AM]  XLR8RRICK Hudson: I use Vertical tabs and really like them
[10:07 AM]  xstorm Radek: IM's , error messages , system restarts and other data
[10:08 AM]  Latif Khalifa: they have the latest build with http texture fixes in bindary build for windows?
[10:08 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: you mean you're able to see data that shouldnt be visible?
[10:09 AM]  xstorm Radek: i thing Morgaine is more then right when she did say there is a problem with the cache system
[10:09 AM]  Imaze Rhiano: You mean that you bought item from GRID X - then moved to GRID Y - and item moved to GRID Y, because it was cached to viewer cache?
[10:09 AM]  Simonie Swain is Offline
[10:10 AM]  xstorm Radek: its holding information from one server such as Aditi andmoving it to Agni
[10:10 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: oh.... the object cache?
[10:10 AM]  xstorm Radek: this can make problems on the server
[10:10 AM]  xstorm Radek: yes
[10:10 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: ah sure I see a potential problem
[10:10 AM]  xstorm Radek: buy information was mirror
[10:11 AM]  Morgaine Dinova: Latif: McCabe said this morning that the latest weekly has Robin's HTTP Texture patches. I'm running it right not, seems fine. That said, Robin's been making patches continuously I think, and the weekly is dated Aug 07, so it can't have all the patches. If I have trouble I'll look for McCabe's bleeding edge branch.
[10:11 AM]  Morgaine Dinova: now*
[10:11 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: the object cacne is indexed by region coordinates on the grid?
[10:11 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: so different grids with the same coordinates, could cause a conflict
[10:11 AM]  JayR Cela: yep Imprudence is working great for me
[10:12 AM]  xstorm Radek: seems not to be it looks like LL forgot to put what server the cache did come from
[10:12 AM]  Latif Khalifa: Dahlia, the conflict will not do anything bad since each prim's CRC is checked
[10:12 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: or what grid
[10:12 AM]  xstorm Radek: thats right
[10:12 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: depends on how complete the crc is?
[10:12 AM]  Latif Khalifa: brb, checking out imprudence weekly
[10:13 AM]  xstorm Radek: this is going to make a bad Jira i will have to file
[10:13 AM]  Morgaine Dinova: Jiras are like /dev/null currently.
[10:14 AM]  Latif Khalifa: ugh, ugly fonts
[10:14 AM]  xstorm Radek: greetings Mel
[10:14 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: I dont believe OpenSim uses the object cache
[10:14 AM]  Melchizedek Blauvelt: hi X, all
[10:14 AM]  XLR8RRICK Hudson: Hi Mel
[10:14 AM]  xstorm Radek: problem is opensim use cache too
[10:15 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: I dont think it knows it's there
[10:15 AM]  xstorm Radek: as long as it use the same user viewer
[10:15 AM]  Morgaine Dinova: Dahlia, you're right, but I asked at last week's OSgrid meeting, and a person said they almost had it fixed.
[10:15 AM]  Latif Khalifa: why do imprudence people "fix" things that need no fixing lol
[10:15 AM]  Pinksurfer Mistwalker is Online
[10:15 AM]  Morgaine Dinova: Dahlia: think it was "Reverand" something, ring a bell?
[10:15 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: had the cache fixed?
[10:16 AM]  xstorm Radek: cache needs more then to be fix
[10:16 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: rings a bell...
[10:16 AM]  Morgaine Dinova: Yeah, he said there were a few bits that needed change, not just the CRC
[10:16 AM]  xstorm Radek: if this happens with user data in SL then it can happen with any system that use a cache based system
[10:16 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: I dont think OpenSim sends anything to the viewer to tell it to pull stuff from the cache
[10:17 AM]  Dahlia Trimble: whatever teh viewer stores in it is out of the sim's control
[10:17 AM]  JayR Cela: well I'm fed up with lil ms. know it all, see ya around Morgaine
[10:17 AM]  Latif Khalifa: bah
[10:17 AM]  xstorm Radek: and for people that work with metadata this is not at all good
[10:17 AM]  xstorm Radek: its dirty programing

  As you can see this group is a whole lot of talk, but that's about it.


hitomi tiponi said...

Emerald viewer release 2439 (issued 24th July) was withdrawn today and the blog entry about it (and all the comments that went with it) removed. It appears there were a number of texture rendering issues.

JayR Cela said...

Wow, that's the one I was having all the odd problems with.
So hows work coming along on your new version of StarLight ?
I'm really looking forward to checking it out