By Avatar JayR Cela : opening statement taken from David7's weekly meeting summary notecard.
On Sunday 28th April a Special 3RG Community Meeting was held to consider and decide upon which Grid the Community should move to once 3rd Rock Grid closes on 14th May.
Prior to the meeting, Alia Soulstar had distributed the following link :
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AQpkl4qYa27joSJ57P-uO0kh0tUrjzCEROTMLzzyJAI/edit
to the document entitled 3rd Wind Community, which gives information about the four Grids that had given presentations to previous Community Meetings and a summary of the options under consideration.
Alia gave an informative presentation about the 3rd Wind Community document, answered questions and listened to comments.
During the discussions it was agreed that two of the Grids, namely Alternate Metaverse and Barefoot Dreamers, should be discounted.
A vote was then made on the remaining two Grids, namely, ZetaWorlds and Wolf Territories, which ZetaWorlds was chosen as the preferred choice with a clear majority of 17 to 2.
As such, Alia explained that she would be contacting ZetaWorlds Grid to move things forward.
The next 3RG Community Meeting will be on Saturday 4th May at 1.00 pm (grid time).
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This was a long meeting and towards the end became almost unmanageable, with participants sometimes texting over one in other. As usual a slightly edited Chat Log of the meeting follows:
Alia Soulstar: it's a long document so skip to the synopsis if you haven't had time to read it
David7 Bravin: Greetings and welcome everyone........Thanks for coming to this special 3RG Community meeting at such short notice.....I hope everyone has had a chance to look at the 3rd Wind Community document that has been produced - as amongst other things, it sets the pros and cons of the four Grids that have given their presentations - and gives us an ideal framework for our discussions today. Thanks Alia and everyone involved in producing that document....Before we start - can everyone say "Here" for the record.
Han BoShi: here
Alia Soulstar: here
Michel Farrell: Here
Lannorra Sion: here
Astro Balut: here
Georgina Mills: Here
Patrice Charmann: Here
PurplePenny Broome: here
Oola Quan: here
Wolfton Foulsbane: Here
Tek Bachman: here
JayR Cela: here
Aviana Pacem: here
Sunbeam Magic: Here
Ellemir Maven: here
Nila Shvaress: here
Kestral Roffo: Here
Thoria Millgrove: here
Dolfke Barbosa: here
David7 Bravin: Thanks everyone. I will shortly ask Alia to start the discussions.. But before I do - By way of a reminder - if you want to speak - please "Raise a Hand" and wait to be called.. Okay Alia please.
Alia Soulstar: thank you David,and I apologize in advance, there's a lot of ground to cover, I will try to be brief,but brevity is not my superpower. I will firstly repeat something I said last night as it is the most important thing... we are going to make a choice about which grid we will move to, we have narrowed it to 4 But our choice isn't really “which grid?”. There is a deeper choice we need to make. Will we move together, as a community, and preserve our lands, our character and our friendships? The things that bind us as 3RG, or will we disperse and go where our individual impulses take us? That is the real choice… if we choose to merge into a grid without our community assets, then it doesn’t really matter which grid we choose or even if we all choose the same grid. The work we have done... seeking out suitable grids, talking to owners...hasn't been random, we have been focused on finding a way to migrate en mass. So that we can reform and still be together, as a family and a support network, because we all share the values that brought us here in the first place. Grids that offered only private lands from their rate card gave us no mechanism for supporting our assets. They represent the second choice, dispersal, and we did not bother to ask a number of those grids to present here. Grids that offered us dedicated servers, however, offered us a pathway to incorporating our community lands in our migration, we can carve up a server between paid and unpaid lands and still provide private lands at reasonable prices. I'll go into details on that in a second but I want to do a little segue first. You would have noticed the 3rd Wind logo at the top of that document...The name and logo “3rd Rock Grid” is the intellectual property of Stichting Cultural Harbour, who retired the property to protect its legacy. We, the community, don’t own it. 3RG is anyway the name of a grid. And we are no longer a grid. We don’t own servers or have a real world address or operate as a service provider or have terms of service. We are a community, independent of servers, that can exist anywhere. So the name “3rd Wind” is a rebranding that is specific to our community… it is an identity thing. Most cultures talk somewhere in their creation stories about the elements. Earth, Water, Wind and Fire. Rock is Earth, 3rd Fire and 3rd Water are kinda lame but, “Second Wind” means “a new strength or energy to continue something that is an effort”, and a “Third Wind” is when you think you are completely run out but you go on anyway. Often used when something really bad has happened and you think you are finished, but you find unexpected strength. It is clearly a strong metaphor for our situation.
Astro Balut: :)
David7 Bravin: nods
Aviana Pacem: agrees
Kestral Roffo: nods
Alia Soulstar: The preface “3rd” acts as our link to “3rd Rock” and we will memorialise our history through our assets, our builds and our people so the link will live despite the name tweak. And as a nice aside, A search on google for 3rd Rock or 3rd Rock Community will always deliver 20 pages of results pointing at the US Sitcom “3rd Rock from the Sun” A search for “3rd Wind Community” will land on us at the top of every search engine list.
Aviana Pacem: claps (well done)
JayR Cela: lol
Sunbeam Magic: Smiles
Alia Soulstar: anyway, I wanted to clarify the thinking around it in case people had qualms.
Lannorra Sion: :)
Astro Balut: Amazing thinking
JayR Cela: wild conclusion but it works
Alia Soulstar: Back to the grids and the offers we received. AMV offered us a dedicated server but it was $500, more that twice as much as other grid offers, and they gave very little flexibility in land size or prim count, as an aside to this they have since become aware we had much better pricing from other grids and indicated they would engage in a pricing war... I have two things to say about that, the best price we received was $110 for that service. If AMV can suddenly find $400 of fat to trim from their "best" offer, then there is a game going on in the wings, we asked them for their best offer in the first instance.
Aviana Pacem: yup
Astro Balut: yes, and how long will the discount last?
Sunbeam Magic: Nods
Patrice Charmann: It has to feel right from the start!
Alia Soulstar: And I personally feel uncomfortable about dealing with that level of flexibility
JayR Cela: Alia has the floor
Sunbeam Magic: If they are already Greedy we know their personality which we should consider too dealing with the servers' owners we should consider imho
Alia Soulstar: That's OK Jay, I don't mind comments, just don't ask questions yet :)
David7 Bravin: Please keep comments till Alia has finished
Alia Soulstar: On the basis of the offer that AMV originally made... our only affordable path with them was to dump our community lands completely and buy privately, off their general rate card. And that makes AMV a grid you disperse into with no traces of 3RG with their new posturing... as I mentioned, I feel uncomfortable about them... So I would like to clear the air now.. I move here to scratch AMV from our decision process ... can we have a show of hands on this please? say Aye if you agree with the motion to remove AMV from further consideration and Nay if you do not.
Patrice Charmann: aye
Aviana Pacem: Second
Tek Bachman: aye
Michel Farrell: Aye
JayR Cela: second
Sunbeam Magic: Aye
David7 Bravin: AYE
PurplePenny Broome: aye
Aviana Pacem: aye
Lannorra Sion: aye
Ellemir Maven: Aye
Dolfke Barbosa: aye
Wolfton Foulsbane: Aye
Thoria Millgrove: aye
Oola Quan: aye
Nila Shvaress: aye
Astro Balut: aye
Kestral Roffo: Aye
Alia Soulstar: I think that is unanimous, thank you. That makes the process a little easier. Let’s strike AMV from the list
Kestral Roffo: Aye
Alia Soulstar: Moving on…that leaves us with two grids that both supply a dedicated server and one that offers mega mega regions and a 4x4 as a community zone. Wolf Territories offered us a 4x4 for community and otherwise buying off his rate card. It's actually not a bad offer and again there has been further movement on this... He offered today to match any other offer we have.
Kestral Roffo: nods
Alia Soulstar: but, that is not as simple as it sounds, Wolf has a different set up, his smallest region size is a 4x4 Var, even if he supplies a server at the sort of prices that the others have, our ability to carve up that server is extremely limited. To match the other offers he needs to match the way they handle server deployment which seems unlikely, so we would need to spend some time talking to him about what exactly he means and if he realizes what the cost is to him of matching other grids. I suspect he does not, on his rate card Wolf's cheapest region is $25.40. Being able to bring all our people with us is affected by the prices we can negotiate, and the ways that we can self-organise. We wondered if we could make Wolf work by buying 12 x 12s off the top of his rate card and squishing community lands into them, but…
1. a million prims and numberless scripts crammed on even the fastest servers will create death by lag.
2. the regions become complicated OARs with multiple ownerships and are later impossible to extract.
3. And we still have to pay for these lands on top of our private land purchases… we would, in effect, be taxing you to run community lands in this set up.
Sunbeam Magic: I move here to scratch Wolf Territories from our decision process
Kestral Roffo: second
Tek Bachman: third
Aviana Pacem: aye
Patrice Charmann: aye
JayR Cela: nay
Dolfke Barbosa: aggrees
Michel Farrell: Aye
PurplePenny Broome: nay
David7 Bravin: AYE
Nila Shvaress: aye
Astro Balut: has there been a vote?
Ellemir Maven: Aye
Aviana Pacem: ?
Dolfke Barbosa: a spontaneous vote, Aviana
Aviana Pacem: I'd like to hear Purple's thoughts.
Alia Soulstar: it's a great indication but I wasn't actually going to suggest scratching Wolf unless people want to do that themselves of course.
Astro Balut: aye if the question I didn't see was of the same type as the first, hehehe.
Thoria Millgrove: ((the meeting chair has gone along with a vote, so yes there seems to be))
Thoria Millgrove: aye
Sunbeam Magic: Too many red flags I see with them
Lannorra Sion: aye
Dolfke Barbosa: I also would like Penny's opinion on her nay.
Han BoShi: o/
JayR Cela: I said nay also
Aviana Pacem: atm it's apples and oranges, but would like to hear from Penny
Dolfke Barbosa: and JayR's
Aviana Pacem: …and Jay
Sunbeam Magic: nods
David7 Bravin: Alia - how would you like to proceed ?
Alia Soulstar: Ok sooo... we could leave Wolf in the hat for the final vote or scratch the grid, I don't think he has the numbers on what I just saw... there is a little more I can add to what I was saying, the bit I was about to get to was. Ruling out the distraction of an offer to "match any other offer" when no one really knows what that means and looking just at his initial offer... We have a model with Wolf where we have a token community center, a 4x4 and private ownership clustered around it. In the other two offers we have a model where we can have 200 community regions and cheaper land prices for members. In contrast to Wolf’s $25.40, in both the other grids you can own private land starting at $2.50. That is one tenth the entry point on Wolf Territories. So the grids offering full community (server) options are not only cheaper overall and keeping far more of our community lands intact, they are more inclusive. We are not leaving people behind on the basis of cost. I personally don't see any comparison in those offers but there are features of his grid that are appealing. Onto the other two then...
Alia Soulstar: Zeta have offered us a good quality dedicated server managed by a professional hosting company in Germany for $108 month. On a spec for dollar pricing that is pretty much at cost.
Sunbeam Magic: my thoughts were to move us along to get to the 2 in contenders.. Zeta and Barefoot and looks like most agreed Wolf is not a match for what we are envisioning.
Alia Soulstar: In fact Elle has gone crazy trying to work out how they make any profit.
Ellemir Maven: grumbles.
Alia Soulstar: We can design our community on that server any way we choose and carry a very large community asset (around 200 SL regions) And we can still sell our members private lands at prices that are lower than any professional grid’s rate card (including Zetas) If we choose Zeta, we already have a business plan and a community model on the drawing board. We already have the financial resources in place to pull the trigger today. We have a system to seamlessly rebuild our lands, we have a crew in place to handle the transition, we have relationships in place with the owners.
Alia Soulstar: The BDG offer is much the same… except:
• BDG’s server will cost us $266 month.
• The smaller size of the grid won’t add a lot of extra audience for our performers and venues.
• The grid infrastructure is not amazing… this is a grid running in someone’s spare room with a ceiling fan as its cooling system…
Sunbeam Magic: good point
Alia Soulstar: it is a risky choice on the IT front. And… if we choose BDG we need to find another $100 month to pay for it. We do not have sufficient financial commitment at this point that lets us pull the trigger. So if you do favor this option, please think about how You can contribute to make it cost-viable. I point again to the document you have and the summary at the end. back to David... questions and discussion.
Lannorra Sion: raises hand
Wolfton Foulsbane: raises his hand as well.
David7 Bravin: Many thanks Alia, Bravin: Okay...
Kestral Roffo: Raises hand
Sunbeam Magic: raises hand
David7 Bravin: Kestral please
Lannorra Sion: ?
Aviana Pacem: raises hand
Kestral Roffo: so from looking at all plans i feel business plan 1 is the one, remember we have two weeks only till 3rd rock closes.
David7 Bravin: Thanks Kestral
Alia Soulstar: (Plan 1 is Zeta in the document, just to clarify)
David7 Bravin: Sunbeam please
Sunbeam Magic: I am partial to Zeta too... when I co owned 3rd Life grid they were our servers IT and responded quickly to any technical difficulties we had... plus they have 11 years experience. One more thing, they are open to discussion if you feel their policies effect you.
Georgina Mills: raises hand
David7 Bravin: Thanks Sunbeam, Lannora - You have a question?
Lannorra Sion: Do we have any time limit guarantees on the costs from any of the candidates? My fear is a good deal will end up being a bait and switch.
**** Please Take Note of the above comment from Lannora Sion **** "My fear is a good deal will end up being a bait and switch." *****
David7 Bravin: Can you answer that Alia ?
Alia Soulstar: That is a great question Lannorra, yes, I can give a semi answer. In terms of the three offers the one we had to double check was Zeta's because of the unbelievable cost so... Elle went directly to the Zeta's provider to find out exactly what server set ups they offer and pricing. Zeta is selling us a direct price set by the server company. It's a big company, I don't see them doing across the board price hikes.
JayR Cela: ("face palms")
Ellemir Maven: ((They "have your own server" price is right on the web site. But when we spoke to them, they gave us a menu of choices and we picked the best one))
Alia Soulstar: We have no guarantees but I see that as a form of surety.
Ellemir Maven: Comment to that
Sunbeam Magic: comment, in the few years we were with Zeta they only raised cost once.
Ellemir Maven: Two things. One, I found a datacenter in the Netherlands that has a server with exactly the same specifications as Zeta, for 175 euros a month (so 50%) more. And I see no harm in asking any of these grids where we would get a server or land for say a 12 month guaranteed price)
David7 Bravin: Thanks Ellemir, Please go ahead Alia.
Alia Soulstar: Elle and Lannorra make great points. Nothing stops us from asking our host to lock their price for a year and I will personally do that when we have decided on the host.
David7 Bravin: Thanks Alia, Aviana please
Aviana Pacem: The history of promising-looking OS grids closing down is extensive. I think current longevity is an important factor. That gives a plus to Zeta.
Sunbeam Magic: Agree
Wolfton Foulsbane: still has his hand up too.
David7 Bravin: Thanks Aviana. Did I miss you Wolfton ? Please go ahead.
Wolfton Foulsbane: I'd like to add that I did my independent, blind review of all the grids mentioned last night. For me, Zeta was the clear winner. Not only does the support seem to be at least as good as the support we are used to here, they offer the lowest prices, and they allow ages 13 and up so I can be more present since my kids can log on. I do not intend to offer UFS a foothold but my kids do want our own Star Trek community (no offense to Starfleet Infinity) as well as some other virtual experiences not tied to Star Trek. I'm prepared to move to Zeta with or without 3rd Wind, but I do miss hanging out with several of you that I've known for well over ten years. Now, I'd also like to offer my professional services as a Business Analyst. I write IT contracts for the government (State of Arizona) so I can help with eliciting requirements as well as contracts - should we need it.
David7 Bravin: Many thanks for that Wolfton, Georgina please.
Georgina Mills: What is the bandwidth of the Zetaworlds server? At that price will there be lag? As Lannorra said, is it 'bait and switch' with that server price increasing once they have us? At that low price there must be megalag as the pipe bandwidth will surely be low? Is that low price feasible and permanent in practice?
David7 Bravin: Can you answer that Alia ?
Alia Soulstar: Can I ask Elle to address that question, she is an expert on that.
Ellemir Maven: I can't comment directly. We know that Zeta is hosted in a german datacenter (you can see that on their web site) Data centers usually have impressive network performance. They provide an impressive number of server/network statistics at their welcome point for anyone to review.
Wolfton Foulsbane: has a comment
Thoria Millgrove: ((3RG is currently hosted in a German datacentre, for comparison))
Georgina Mills: comment
David7 Bravin: Thanks Ellemir
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Alia Soulstar: also this is the spec: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X - 128GB - 2 x NVMe 3,84 TB, somewhat specced up from our 3RG current settings.
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David7 Bravin: Sunbeam please
Sunbeam Magic: The number of grids they service may give them lower prices on servers, there for they can pass those along.
Alia Soulstar: comment
David7 Bravin: Yes Alia
Alia Soulstar: I cannot say this with knowledge but I am related to Sherlock Holmes through my mothers great aunt.... ZetaWorld uses the datacentre Zetamex. I suspect they are related and the the server price is low to them for a reason, something about the prefix...
David7 Bravin: Thanks Alia
Sunbeam Magic: Smiles
David7 Bravin: JayR please
JayR Cela: I was at the WTG meeting just before this meeting.... I want to move forward not lateral..... WTG is currently the cutting edge and I want to be there.... if we decide to move as a group to Zeta, I will commit a 12 month silver registration in order to move and preserve what's left of 3RG.... however.... on April 30th, I have all ready made arrangements to lease a 4x4 on WTG / taking advantage of his discount.... so what ever is decided / I can commit $120 US to the move.
Sunbeam Magic: In what ways are they on "the cutting edge" there ?
David7 Bravin: Thanks for that commitment JayR
Alia Soulstar: comment
David7 Bravin: Yes Alia
Michel Farrell: Comment
Georgina Mills: still waiting to comment
Alia Soulstar: Jay makes a solid point. Wolf does seem to be pioneering tech. I have an avatar on that grid too and i really like his AI interface. Zeta are a testing and development grid and are leading edge too.
David7 Bravin: Thanks Alia, Georgina please
Georgina Mills: I have seen cheap land for sale before with low bandwidth, if you pay more you get lag free.
Alia Soulstar: comment
David7 Bravin: Yes Alia
Ellemir Maven: ((I can also comment))
Alia Soulstar: Lag is not just bandwidth. It is the number of prims on a region, the number and complexities of scripts, the number of regions crammed on a server. If we are allocating server resources we control much of that... (cont)
Sunbeam Magic: it can also be affected by your own internet service ... lag
Alia Soulstar: another thing that is death by lag is the function of servers calling up information from other servers. If an endpoint goes offline then the call-up goes into a loop that can kill a set of regions. Zeta assured us yesterday they actively block the sort of amateur grids that create this problem so they seem to have a good grasp of performance curation.
Kestral Roffo: Raises hand
David7 Bravin: Thanks Alia, Ellemir please
Dolfke Barbosa: comment
Ellemir Maven: I wonder at the underlying issue here. I have no reason to think that a server in a pro data center is going to be better or worse than wherever any of the other grids are (other than the ones in someone's basement). The server Zeta is offering is about triple the performance of what 3RG is running on right now (more) Also, Zeta was pioneering things like load balancing robust before some of these other grids were even a thing, so I don't consider them "inferior" in their technology to anyone. end
David7 Bravin: Thanks Ellemir, Kestral please
Kestral Roffo: ok so i do not understand Tech stuff. but i believe in Alia and Elle's judgment, therefore we have two to choose, let us take it to the vote ****end****
David7 Bravin: Thanks Kestral, Dolfke please
Dolfke Barbosa: I was at Zeta a week earlier, and had the highest FPS I ever had ...
David7 Bravin: I do not have any more names waiting to speak on my list (unless I have missed anyone)
Alia Soulstar: comment
JayR Cela: raise hand
David7 Bravin: Alia please
Alia Soulstar: After Jay has spoken I suggest we have a vote. We are sufficient in numbers here to represent the community as a quorum. My suggestion is that each person simply say their preferred grid name and we tally them. I have been asked by Laz and Lorin to present their proxy vote. end
David7 Bravin: Understood - thanks Alia, JayR please
Kestral Roffo: I have Oolas proxy
JayR Cela: my main concern obviously is to preserver the Great Central Lake region in the upcoming 3rd Wind initiative / I will also be rebuilding a new Lake on WTG with some extra land available for anyone interested. If I am able to remain estate manager for the Lake in the new 3rd Wind Is OK with me.
David7 Bravin: Alia has suggested that we now put it to the vote. Do I have a seconder on that ?
Kestral Roffo: I second
David7 Bravin: Thanks Kestral, So please say the name of the Grid you would like to vote for.
Astro Balut: zeta
JayR Cela: Wolf
Nila Shvaress: Zeta
Aviana Pacem: Zeta
Patrice Charmann: Zeta
Sunbeam Magic: ZetaWorlds
Michel Farrell: ZetaWorlds
Wolfton Foulsbane: Zeta - and I do not need anything from here backed up or transferred. I'm interested in a 3x3 and I'll start from scratch.
Alia Soulstar: Zeta
Georgina Mills: Wolf
David7 Bravin: ZetaWorlds
Tek Bachman: Zeta
Lannorra Sion: abstain
Ellemir Maven: Zeta
Kestral Roffo: [Oola proxy] Zeta
PurplePenny Broome: Wolf
Alia Soulstar: [Laz proxy] Zeta
Kestral Roffo: Zeta
Thoria Millgrove: Zeta
Alia Soulstar: [Lorin proxy] Zeta
Georgina Mills: abstain!
Dolfke Barbosa: zeta
Slash Godard: I abstain- because I'm leaving
JayR Cela: tell me when and how to pay the $ amount
David7 Bravin: Thanks everyone
Lannorra Sion: Alia, I would also like to do a patronage
Kestral Roffo: me also
Aviana Pacem : ty David, and ty Alia, and everyone who put so much work into this.
Alia Soulstar: comment
Sunbeam Magic: Yes and how to set up our Patron status... or should we wait on that until after the move ?
David7 Bravin: Alia - would you care to say any more ?
Alia Soulstar: thanks David and thanks everyone....
Ellemir Maven: I just want to comment. Before anyone has any buyer's remorse. It may turn out that whatever grid we choose is not the right one. In a year we say "this is not working for us" And as a community we can decide to move.
Patrice Charmann: Thank you to all of you who have put so much into this!
Sunbeam Magic: That's the glory of choice Ellemir, well said!
Aviana Pacem: Also… thank you for the 3WC name and logo. Beautiful. I love them.
Alia Soulstar: firstly. Those who voted against and abstained, you are still absolutely welcome to be part of the Zeta community and to join our events, groups and the community itself as members, and I truly wish you success on whatever grids you make your home...
Sunbeam Magic: Hear hear!!!
Kestral Roffo: yep
Wolfton Foulsbane: thumbs up "[13:50] Ellemir Maven: I just want to comment. Before anyone has any buyer's remorse. It may turn out that whatever grid we choose is not the right one. In a year we say "this is not working for us" And as a community we can decide to move."
Tek Bachman: let me know when the transition will take place and what I need to do
Ellemir Maven: Have you asked admin for your oar and Iar tek?
Tek Bachman: yes i have it
Alia Soulstar: secondly, we are going to set up all the financials, that was waiting for a result from this process, the moment we do we can start processing patrons and land owners so if you have not already talked to me about land or patronage, please IM me and/or email me.
Lannorra Sion: I have never hid the fact that I have my own non commercial grid. That led to my bias against Zeta where, I may not even be able to visit you all. But I will commit to a patronage to help.
Alia Soulstar: thirdly... we now have to manage the transition,,, we can help you move your assets and inventories to Zeta... if you need that help, please IM Elle. fourth... we will talk to Zeta today and get the ball rolling, the moment we have paid for it and got it set up, we will inform everyone. fifth...
Han BoShi: Lannorra, you should talk to Zeta about getting an exception for your grid. We talked yesterday after you left that they often make exceptions once they get to know more about the situation.
Alia Soulstar: fifth... go here to join the community: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1cqeLtT-kU4N0MI-z0j5thR7YJjC95DUtAegnbFiJ03Q
Georgina Mills: I have to have a Google account to join the group ?
Lannorra Sion: Thank you Han. I am not sure my ideals jive with theirs
Kestral Roffo: easy enough Georgina
Ellemir Maven: You do not Georgina. Ignore the save settings at the top and just fill in your name and email at the bottom. Artifact of stupid google forms.
Astro Balut: https://zetaworlds.com/home
David7 Bravin: Wolfton please go ahead
Sunbeam Magic: raises hand
Wolfton Foulsbane: I haven't seen the charter. May I have a link, please?
Thoria Millgrove: https://3rdwc.com/charter/index4.html
Michel Farrell: I am forced to login in order to fill in the form ?
David7 Bravin: Sunbeam please go ahead
Sunbeam Magic: I have a 3 x 3 now but only saw 5 x 5 on Zeta docs ? and also do we sign up each avatar we have here ?
Alia Soulstar: This website was prefilled Zeta but would have changed with another vote: https://3rdwc.com It has all the links.
Wolfton Foulsbane: raises hand
Sunbeam Magic: did I get an answer ?
David7 Bravin: Yes Wolfton
David7 Bravin: Alia can you answer Sunbeams question please
Alia Soulstar: Yes....
Sunbeam Magic: thank you
Wolfton Foulsbane: Two questions - What do you mean 1x1 to 5x5. For example, is a 5x5 with 20k prims $20 or $250? and is that 20k prims each or total?
Alia Soulstar: Sunbeam, please buy your land through us, not through the Zeta website. Our land is cheaper, more flexible, any size you want and in our cluster. Just give me your order, IM or email and we'll set you up. as for alts....
Sunbeam Magic: doesn't it make a difference when transferring OAR that lands match ?
Wolfton Foulsbane: *$500?
Thoria Millgrove: no, as long as the destination is the same size or larger
Alia Soulstar: Zeta restricts alts to 3 but we are negotiating for more as we have RP groups and the like. You don't need to sign alts up to the community, we only issue one community ID and your alts can use that
Sunbeam Magic: okies
David7 Bravin: Alia or Ellemir - can you answer Wolfton's question please?
Alia Soulstar: Wolfton...
Sunbeam Magic: one more thing though, okay AAcme may have different ID than me and Venus ??? no ??
Alia Soulstar: we are not charging on size, you choose the size and tell us. $20 is 50k prims any sized land. Sunbeam.... Your ID is the number you vote with and it protects your identity in fiscal matters so, we can't issue them to the non living or to alts, but these alts are of course free range members of the community.
Sunbeam Magic: thank you Alia ...
Thoria Millgrove: I'm Thoria Millgrove in SL and Zeta
JayR Cela: raise hand
David7 Bravin: Yes JayR
JayR Cela: so when ya gonna pull the trigger and actually need some RL $ in order to do this ?
Alia Soulstar: JayR... we will set up banking asap and inform everyone of the details... within days, depends on the banking system.
Lannorra Sion: Its been an honor and a privilege to have served with you all for the 3RG community and now the 3rd Wind. I must leave. See you all soon I hope.
Ellemir Maven: Like Alia I am probably getting the same questions.
Nila Shvaress: comment
David7 Bravin: Yes Nila
Ellemir Maven: So this is the sequence I think if I may?
Nila Shvaress: I just wanted to say that a party is in the works, it will be on 3RG before it closes.
Michel Farrell: when ?
David7 Bravin: Thanks Nila
Ellemir Maven: First we are sorting out who wants what and how much it costs. Payment will probably be Paypal and we are trying to figure out how much they charge as a premium. (more)
Nila Shvaress: we don't have date set yet that I am aware of
JayR Cela: PayPal is a No Go for me, Mastercard only.
Ellemir Maven: I am sure we can find something else then JayR.
David7 Bravin: It looks like the meeting is finishing ......so before I close the meeting....
Thoria Millgrove: (you can pay Mastercard through Paypal without a Paypal account)
Ellemir Maven: So next step is we order the server from Zeta, and they need a day or two to prep it, and the first month rent in advance
David7 Bravin: On behalf of everyone here (and those that have already left)..
JayR Cela: next meeting is when ???
Kestral Roffo: visa or Mastercard is my preference but i can work with paypal well Oola can smiles.
Ellemir Maven: Next, we are drawing a map, what regions go where, what size are they, etc.
David7 Bravin: may I thank Alia and Ellemir for giving us the necessary information so that we could make the right choice.
Ellemir Maven: Once we have the map, we pass that info to Zeta and they build out the regions with the right sizes, prims etc.. then after all that, you open a ticket with Zeta, upload your oar and iar and they load it up for you. You move in, we have a party.
Thoria Millgrove: wooo!
David7 Bravin: I presume that we will be having another Community meeting next Saturday ????
JayR Cela: how about if I don't own the .OAR file it is owned by 3RG
Ellemir Maven: So what you should do in the meantime, is create an account on Zeta. Dolfke can you authorize Jay getting a copy of his lakes region oar?
Thoria Millgrove: I think the board will need to clear it, but I'm sure we will.
Dolfke Barbosa: That will need a board decision, Elle
Thoria Millgrove: As a member of the 3RG board, as well as a long time community member here, I will say 3rd Wind gives me hope. Well done all, and especially Alia and Elle!
Ellemir Maven: Okay, is there any reason it won't be like any other community lands?
PurplePenny Broome: If we have an alt, and a partner who rarely comes in world and also has an alt would they load their IARs as well?
Dolfke Barbosa: but pls ask Eldovar for one, or let Alia make the request, I vote positive for it
Alia Soulstar: in terms of IARs....
Ellemir Maven: Alia can you answer that? I think its best to grab and import all those IAR Penny.
PurplePenny Broome: yes, I given Eldo the relevant information.
Alia Soulstar: they are a way to move an inventory. We can load your IAR in Zeta through their ticket system but I would add one point...
Ellemir Maven: No Alia, I think she means should she ask for all three.
Alia Soulstar: an IAR can take a while to extract from the servers and Eldo has to do it. I have an IAR of my avatar but I won't task him for my alts, I can remake them easily enough. It's just a to give the poor man a break.
David7 Bravin: I PRESUME THAT WE WILL BE HOLDING ANOTHER COMMUNITY MEETING NEXT SATURDAY ??????/
Alia Soulstar: YES
Nila Shvaress: I won't need IARs for any of my avatars. I can transfer what I need
Alia Soulstar: and a giant leaving party
Wolfton Foulsbane: raises hand
JayR Cela: sounds good
Aviana Pacem: lol
Astro Balut: Hi friends, it's late in Denmark. I will follow up on this tomorrow. Thanks for this great meeting and the hard work you did.
David7 Bravin: Thanks Alia, Yes Wolfton
Wolfton Foulsbane: Does 3WC have a discord server?
Thoria Millgrove: They do Wolfton
Dolfke Barbosa: AND a grand new Wind party too at Zeta
Thoria Millgrove: I just joined it
Aviana Pacem: votes for a Discord server
Thoria Millgrove: Create an account with Zeta, and then you can request to join their Discord
Ellemir Maven: I will start the discord server right now
David7 Bravin: The I think it is time for me to say "MEETING CLOSED"
As you all ready know the decision to migrate 3rd Rock Grid over to ZetaWorlds was made and the wheels of progress were quickly set into motion. Once the migration began the initial results were ????
Story to continue in : My Virtual Life after 3rd Rock Grid's Closure : Part 8
JayR Cela :_)
