OpenSim : HyperGrid : Presenting the new "3rd Rock Lakes" and the "Great Central Lake 2" on the "Wolf Territories Grid"

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OpenSim : HyperGrid : My Virtual World Life after 3rd Rock Grids Closure : Part 9 : the WrapUp

 By Avatar JayR Cela

    This will be my final kiss goodbye to 3rd Rock Grid. I was not happy when my longtime grid decided to shut down. I am very grateful for the warning and proper shutdown procedures that were provided to all of the residents. Unfortunately my attempts on influencing the ultimate migration decision failed. So I decided to write a series of blog posts that would describe the decision process as accurately as possible, and without introducing to many, or obvious on my part, conflicts or criticisms of the final choice made. This is the reason I simply posted the community meeting transcripts as they unfolded.

    So today I have the last meeting transcript held in 3rd Rock Grid. I have to say for myself, this was the final straw that broke the back of this migration to ZetaWorlds. Never-mind the rampant child role play present on this grid. We got screwed, plain and simple. The fantastic AMD based dedicated server we were promised, "suddenly" was no longer available.  So the only obvious solution at this late in the game, turned out we got one giant Estate region. Yes you read that right, no separate server, no anything that had been promised. I don't know exactly what went down behind the scenes, nor does it matter what I think. I do know this much, everyone that wanted their .OAR and .IAR files were able to get copies of them from the 3RG personnel left in charge of the shutdown. So in reality that is all that matters.

  David7 Bravin: Looks like everyone has arrived. Let's get started.For the record everyone please say "Here"

PurplePenny Broome: Here

Han BoShi: here

Nila Shvaress: here

Alia Soulstar: here

Dawn Greymyst: here

Georgina Mills: Here

Prim Ativ: Here

JayR Cela: here

Ellemir Maven: here

Michel Farrell: Here

David7 Bravin: Thanks everyone. Welcome to the Final 3RG Community Meeting.

David7 Bravin: I understand that Prim has an announcement ....

Prim Ativ: Hey Everyone, We are going to be holding a 'transition dance party' right after the community meeting is done today.  First we will be dancing at the Shooting Star venue, Where the Starfleet Boogie is held, with DJ Elle for 30 minutes.  And then move over to 3rd Wind's Shooting Star venue as a group and continue the party there.  Lets say our goodbyes to 3RG and celebrate our community's next chapter.  If you need LMs please let me know!  Thank You, End.

David7 Bravin: Many thanks for that Prim. Alia - would you like to give us all an update on the migration to ZetaWorlds please.

Alia Soulstar: yes,thank you David.

Alia Soulstar: I can report on the asset migration first, We have now moved 80 percent of our lands (via OAR in most cases) and have a high degree of fidelity in terms of things rezzing properly and working as they should. A lot of us are in a happy place with our avatars too — many thanks to Eldo for providing IARs and Zeta (Ed and Vincent) for loading them, there are inevitable minor transition issues of course… some arise from switching physics’ engines, some from moving from one OpenSim code base to another, and a few are OSSL variations. Positional scripts all need amending and LMs need replacing. We found note-carded and call-up scripts, NPCs, dance balls, vehicles and mesh collisions are our main problems, we are working on restoring all these things. Astro and BoShi are particularly active in finding us solutions to script issues and they are documenting/sharing the solutions they find. So… if stuff isn’t working the way it used to, let us know. There are solutions for all these issues in the pipeline. We can’t fix everything for you today but we will do all we can to make sure that everything will be fixed. For collision and vehicle issues we can revert your region to Bullet if ubODE is the problem. Earlier the week I sent out an email to land owners about estate tools… on why we don’t have them and how we can work around this issue by assigning them temporarily… I won’t re-litigate the “why”, that was explained in full in my mail which anyone who missed it is welcome to a copy of, but…

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Alia Soulstar : I want to remind you that all the 3rd Wind land is treated collectively as the “estate” with our dedicated server set-up, unlike the usual land purchase of a region, so when you are assigned that temporary management tool and you make a global change to estate settings, the change propagates to all our lands, options like land textures only affect your parcel, but some estate access tools can create havoc on other parcels, as we have discovered already, so please avoid “global” features.

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Alia Soulstar: second Item is Financials. Amazingly we have been able to cover our server costs through land sales alone—thank you to all who have purchased land in our community and made this situation viable. On top of this financial stability is the amazing generosity of those who have donated as patrons. Because of that generosity we find ourselves in a position to pick up a number of the performer contracts that 3RG established. Supporting the arts is an important pillar of our legacy. It has been central to the 3RG vision right from its inception. All of which means we can move our favourite artists with us to Zeta and continue our relationship with them. This is fantastic news and a huge relief! I think it’s fantastic that we are able to actually pay artists and show our support for the creative economy. This is a huge credit to our 3rd Wind Community it's a point of difference for us in opensim. Obviously we don’t have unlimited resources, there are budget constraints, so without generating more income, we can’t consider new community contracts at this point, or extend our payments beyond an established group of live artists, we can't yet include DJs for example, or guest speakers, but in Zeta we can still support them, tipping artists has returned to the menu. I hope people continue to support them, especially those like Tek, Laz and Rosy who have been so generous with their talents for so long. Finally, I want to thank some people who stood up to save our collective bacon at just the right time. Elle has beavered behind the scenes to enable 3rd Wind—and that’s not JUST a jab at her Canadian origins, we are where we are right now largely thanks to her. She worked hard to assemble our options and she mobilised the moment we settled on one. Thanks to her we were able to build and prepare our new home before we lost this one. Nila has been fantastic too, by taking on the job of treasurer and handling the homestead portfolio… it’s a lot more work than we imagined and it required a lot of creativity on her part. She’s been a godsend and we are beyond lucky to have her services. Astro’s timing in rejoining us at this moment is Swiss (which is probably an insult to a Dane) Cometh the hour, cometh the back-end expertise we need. He and Boshi are toiling away at the dark under-the-hood arts, making the details of this transition work. I want to give a shout out too, to David, who has organised and chaired all our community meetings for so long i can’t even recall when he started, and he’s done it with his distinctive aplomb, he gets my vote as cat-herder of the decade. And I want to acknowledge our friends who administered 3RG for us.

David7 Bravin: smiles

Alia Soulstar: The final outcome of closing 3RG is sad for us all, but it is heartbreaking for them, Alia Soulstar: heartbreak on heartbreak when you consider losing Kira, spare them a thought.

JayR Cela: may Kira R.I.P.

Alia Soulstar: I am glimpsing some of the work and commitment required to host a community and my respect for what they achieved—which was high to begin with—is now off the charts. It makes me personally very very happy that we have not yet seen the last of them. Although Eldo is taking far too much pleasure in sending me help desk tickets in our new home. I hope revenge tastes as sweet as they say it does

Alia Soulstar: When David has closed this meeting, I hope everyone will join us at the Shooting Star Club :) End

David7 Bravin: Many thanks for that update Alia - and on behalf of everyonehere    many thanks for the work that you and your team have done on our behalf

JayR Cela: raise hand

Michel Farrell: raise hand

David7 Bravin: Yes JayR

JayR Cela: Concerning the Great Central Lake region / it transfered over intact / however if we want to use the uBoDe physics engine / is not to much of a problem / the jetski's / zodiac's will need to be replaced or rescripted / the speed boats work fine with a minor adjustment to my bump wave system, however if we convert that region back to Bullet Sim physics all that is required is some simple script resets, also I have a new version of the clubhouse and boat docks I would like to bring over to get things up to date, and thats about all I have to say / thank you. End

David7 Bravin: Thanks JayR, I think that the points you made have been noted.

David7 Bravin: Michel please

Michel Farrell: How will it go with the community meetings in ZetaWorlds ? End

Alia Soulstar: comment

David7 Bravin: Yes Alia

Alia Soulstar: We are planning to make the meetings monthly. This will allow us/our treasurer to prepare a financial report to be tabled among other things, we will use our meetings to steer the direction of the community, vote for leaders, etc... so they are events we should all try to make... the first will be within a few weeks, we are really self governing now. End

David7 Bravin: Thanks Alia. Are there any more questions or comments ?

Alia Soulstar: comment

David7 Bravin: Yes Alia

Alia Soulstar: here is our community event Calendar... it's on the "fun" tab of the main page on our website: https://3rdwc.com/event/events.html

JayR Cela: ahhh / looks nice.

Alia Soulstar: there are a couple of omissions, i need to get a schedule from Rosy to add her and we may still need to tweak a few events to fit with the Zeta events calendar, and for those who missed it our move was written up by Thirza, nice article here: https://hgsafari.blogspot.com/2024/05/into-3rd-wind.html?sc=1715220841070#c7569527300269296528

Alia Soulstar: end

David7 Bravin: Thanks for that Alia. Are there any more questions or comments ?

JayR Cela: comment

David7 Bravin: Yes JayR

JayR Cela: I'm gonna log off in a few minutes and log back into Zeta / someone TP me to Prims party please / and It's been a great pleasure to call all of you friends. Thanks. END

David7 Bravin: Bye JayR - take care

Light Sprite: bye Jayr

    This brings to a close a long chapter in my virtual life. I had spent 13 years in 3rd Rock Grid, the last 9 or 10 years working on my Great Central Lake. That project was preserved and is still present in the 3rd Wind Community located in Zetaworlds grid. Myself, I have moved to the Wolf Territories Grid with my new Great Central Lake 2, and 3rd Rock Lakes 4x4 regions there. Although I have attended all the subsequent monthly 3WC meetings in Zeta, I did not offer any additional monetary support beyond my initial donation during the November 11 2024 meeting and officially resigned from any future related projects besides on an occasional assistance or advice basis. 6 months was all the time I had allotted myself to observe how things would progress, and I see no additional good coming from further coverage of this grids migration debacle. 

    My hope in publishing this series of transcripts is as a learning experience for myself, and perhaps others that may suddenly find themselves in a similar situation. A longtime and well established grids closure can become devastating to a virtual community. I am truly happy for all my friends that were able to get their prized virtual inventories preserved and intact at the new home in Zetaworlds grid.  During the coming months, I will begin my coverage of the Wolf Territories Grid, my new home in OpenSim. 

JayR Cela :_)

OpenSim : HyperGrid : My Virtual Life after 3rd Rock Grid's Closure : Part 8 : 3RG begins the move to ZetaWorlds.

 By Avatar JayR Cela : Continuing until the very end, 3rd Rock Grid held their next to last in world meeting. The following is an edited (for readability) transcript, so first we have a bit of before meeting chat, followed by the meeting it's self.

  May 4 2024

Alia Soulstar: seems there's a mixed view on when the meeting starts but as we are here does anyone have any issues with their junk over on Zeta?

Georgina Mills: I uploaded my IAR file but so far still waiting for it to install, they must be very busy with us all migrating

Alia Soulstar: did you send them a ticket Georgina?

Georgina Mills: Yes

Alia Soulstar: two things then... log off and on to restart your inventory and...

Georgina Mills: Clear cache? inventory cache

Alia Soulstar: the IAR stuff will be below your trash can, not in folders like clothes and body above the line, cache won't affect it. You need to move your items back to where they were before.

Georgina Mills: Not enough files for it to be there so far.

Alia Soulstar: did you log off and on? and did you get an email saying it was loaded?

Georgina Mills: Logging on a second time now, Not yet

Alia Soulstar: then it isn't loaded,they email you on completion.

Georgina Mills: I have been checking emails for a few hours.

Alia Soulstar: do you have a big inventory?

Dolfke Barbosa: I am unable to set my Home, "Set Home to Here"

Georgina Mills: Big enough

Alia Soulstar: in other news we discovered my starship hulls were compressed. If you have items with single prims larger than 245m, we will need to reset the parameters on your region

Alia Soulstar: on which region Dol?

Georgina Mills: Earlier nowhere had been set to group so we can't set home until the land is deeded to the group.That will be Starfleet Infinity land I guess.

Alia Soulstar: you should be able to set home on Myst... Starfleet has not been group deeded yet. When we do that you can set home there.We are holding off on deeding until all the scripts and kinks are ironed out.

Georgina Mills: Myst 1 2 3 etc, or Myst Prime?

Alia Soulstar: you have one Myst Var on Zeta Dol. When you have your OARs we can nestle them into that Var

Dolfke Barbosa: I did not already tried Myst,as its still pretty circular

Alia Soulstar: yes,like a dome.

Aviana Pacem: I'm early. Should i come back in half an hour?

Alia Soulstar: and we are trouble shooting too, if you have any issues on Zeta :)

Han BoShi: although there is still much known work to do

Aviana Pacem: some problems with outfits sticking and skins being visible in the welcome area, but i'd guess that's a known issue.

Alia Soulstar: obviously any scripted thing that points to location co-ordinates on this grid will be a bit random over there...yes i saw the outfit sticking. My bunny ears wouldn't remove. A relog fixed it but that seems like a bug to monitor and report if it persists

PurplePenny Broome: Haha - my transfer portals will be sending me all over the place!

T'Preea Stro: it is very interesting to try to teleport and end up on ground level below the water... what a refreshing way to start your day

Alia Soulstar: one thing I have noticed is tolerance settings... has anyone else noticed overlap flicker on items there that were fine here?

T'Preea Stro: I had seen a few things flickering when i was doing a walk about on land but I had thought it was just me

Alia Soulstar: I see pictures on walls flickering, for example, fixed by moving the surfaces further apart, the flicker might become an issue with some meshes. Easy to fix on just prims.

Dolfke Barbosa: Some of the TP destinations would have to reset again, Penny

PurplePenny Broome: I think they probably all will Dol, and I have a lot!

Alia Soulstar: our teleporters have been weaponised

PurplePenny Broome: I wonder how my free roaming creatures will react.  They might feel a bit lost :)

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David7 Bravin: Well it looks like everyone is here that is coming to the meeting. So let's get started..Greetings and welcome everyone......can everyone say "Here" for the record.

Alia Soulstar: here

PurplePenny Broome: here

Han BoShi: here

Aviana Pacem: here

JayR Cela: here

Nila Shvaress: here

Michel Farrell: Here

Dolfke Barbosa: here

Ellemir Maven: here

Georgina Mills: Here

T'Preea Stro: here, i think

Thoria Millgrove: here

David7 Bravin: Thanks everyone. I will shortly ask Alia to give us an update on how things have progressed in ZetaWorlds.......... please wait till Alia has finished before asking questions and ....by way of a reminder - if you want to speak - please "Raise a Hand" and wait to be called. Okay Alia please

Alia Soulstar: thanks David. Rather than filling up chat log I have prepared a fairly short document that updates where we are with the migration of assets and with the financials...Perhaps we could read it and then have a Q&A? The doc is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ki26wDUJXqcqdP_KNdJGxqR1le41Z8K6GQlAeuJtPc0/edit

David7 Bravin: Thanks Alia

Dolfke Barbosa: looks great, Alia, congrats and thx for all your hard work (with Elle)

Alia Soulstar: thx Dol, Elle is a trooper

Ellemir Maven: scoffs

Alia Soulstar: and Astro and BoShi have been working hard to fix scripts and other issues

Dolfke Barbosa: applauds for Han and Astro

PurplePenny Broome: I've read it, and had a couple of questions as I was reading it.  But my memory is rubbish, so I hope someone else asks whatever it was I thought of...

David7 Bravin: Many thanks for producing the document Alia

Alia Soulstar: my pleasure, well, sort of, just before this meeting I discovered the starships and presumably space station, hulls have compressed. The settings for prim max sizes here is 1024m. On Zeta the default is 256m So if you are porting giant objects in your OARs, tell me or ticket Zeta to upgrade the setting on your Var. end, open for questions

David7 Bravin: Thanks Alia

PurplePenny Broome: Raises hand

David7 Bravin: Yes Penny

Aviana Pacem raises hand

PurplePenny Broome: Will PayPal be set up the way it used to be - to automatically take the payment, or will we need to remember once every six months? End

Alia Soulstar: If you pay using your paypal account or bank, then you can set up automated payment. If you use the credit card portal we will send you an invoice reminder before the due date.

Ellemir Maven: Question

PurplePenny Broome: Thanks

Alia Soulstar: Elle?

Ellemir Maven: Are we just going to fix the max prim size on all regions and do we then need to re-import Infinity (and possibly other oars)

Dolfke Barbosa: comment

Alia Soulstar: it's a region by region thing in the set up file. I only asked Vincent for Starfleet and will request it for HAL9000 too. Gigantic prims are pretty rare and I was the first person to ask Zeta to upgrade so...size tends to be a blender builder fetish. (but if anyone wants this we can ask for it, they are very accommodating)

Ellemir Maven: Question

David7 Bravin: Yes Ellemir

Ellemir Maven: Okay Alia, we have a treasurer, a rate card for land costs, and a paypal account. When can people start sending their money?

Alia Soulstar: Super good question... we will just make sure all the ducks are in a row and then email everyone with land or patronage. I expect this to be within 48 hours. Just want to make sure all the tracking systems are in place

David7 Bravin: Thanks Alia. Any more questions for Alia ?

Georgina Mills: raises hand

Patrice Charmann: Raises hand

David7 Bravin: Yes Georgina

Georgina Mills: Since the grid we are moving to has it's own welcome area will we have a portal so we can get people logging onto our welcome area if they specifically want to join 3rd Wind in future? in ZetaWorlds of course. end : oh sorry, grid within a grid - end

Alia Soulstar: good question Georgina. the answer is we will ask Zeta to include a portal at their welcome... they have been good about everything else and I'm sure they will agree...we have ported in our Welcome from here but of course it's full of 3RG info and LMs, so we're working to modify it for 3rd wind to be our landing point. It will have a map and links to our full regions

Michel Farrell: Rasiing hands

Dolfke Barbosa: question

David7 Bravin: Thanks Alia, Patrice please

Patrice Charmann: Regarding payments via PayPal... will we need to discontinue automatic payments to 3RG or will they just stop or transfer to 3rd Wind. I'm still having payments come out to 3RG

Alia Soulstar: My understanding is...

Dolfke Barbosa: comment

Alia Soulstar: 3RG are refunding any payments from a month ago, yes, you need to stop a/ps here,  no they don't transfer.

Patrice Charmann: Okay, thank you!

Alia Soulstar: yes please set up with 3rd wind

Patrice Charmann: Link or e-mail to do that?

Alia Soulstar: we will email you with your options (within 48 hours)

Patrice Charmann: Perfect!

David7 Bravin: Thanks Alia,  Michel please

Michel Farrell: Will the website of 3rg get a message that it closes and that we move to ZetaWorlds ?  End

Alia Soulstar: Can I pass on that question, perhaps Dol or Tara know?

David7 Bravin: I think that is something for members of the Board to answer

Dolfke Barbosa: I commented earlier

David7 Bravin: Please go ahead Dolfke

Dolfke Barbosa: first @ Patrice / 3RG can't stop any Paypal payments herself, only the Paypal owner can do that, so pls stop any more payments.

Patrice Charmann: Thank you, I will.

Dolfke Barbosa: With the last funds on our Paypal account we will be able to make a final payment (donation) to our Artists who contributed here many times a month.

Dolfke Barbosa: second @website / we will try to do that, if we still can find the access to that page, you know, Kira did all those stuff for us earlier.

David7 Bravin: Thanks Dolfke

Alia Soulstar: good to hear about the artist payments Dol

David7 Bravin: If I may ask ?........ Is there anyway for the 3RG Board to inform everyone directly about the migration to ZetaWorlds and the need to join 3rd Wind please ?

Dolfke Barbosa: comment

David7 Bravin: Go ahead please Dolfke

Dolfke Barbosa: I have emailed all the paying customers who owned and payed for their Region(s)  I do not have any list of the other emails from our residents who are free members without any land they pay for. : end

David7 Bravin: Thanks Dolfke, Georgina please

Georgina Mills: Do we still have a community meeting in Zetaworlds or just attend their meetings in future?  Are we independent as a grid still?

Alia Soulstar: we will have monthly meetings (cont) 3RD Wind will operate as a not for profit although we are not seeking the legal standing of a NFP. Nevertheless we are handling your funds and selling you services so we believe it is beholden on us to be completely transparent with our accounts.... they will be presented at meetings. Also... We are a self governing community that after this transition phase will be electing it's leadership and making decisions by consensus. These things require meetings and voting and what not. I hope everyone attends them.  end

David7 Bravin: Thanks Alia. Just checking Dolfke - that you are wanting to comment on what Aia has just said, (as Michel is next to speak)

Dolfke Barbosa: comment to Alia

David7 Bravin: Go ahead please Dolfke

Dolfke Barbosa: don't call it payments for services, but "donations", Alia

Nila Shvaress: I had a comment about the email notification topic which may have been missed

David7 Bravin: Thanks Dolfke

Alia Soulstar: yes, fair point Dolfke, donations and favours not services

David7 Bravin: I must have missed you Nila - please make your comment now

Nila Shvaress: I can email the Starfleet people about the migration, but I do think it's also a good idea for Captains in 3RG to remind their crew about it

David7 Bravin: Thanks Nila, Michel please.

Alia Soulstar: good point, we haven't sighted a few crew people in Zeta yet

Michel Farrell: We can still post on facebook and mewe to inform people. And maybe Hypergrid Business ? End

Alia Soulstar: Michel...Thanks for that, yes quite right. I am talking to Thirza who has an extensive OS network with her blogs. We can write an article for HG Business, an excellent idea

David7 Bravin: Thanks Alia, I haven't anyone else on my list waiting to speak (unless I have missed anyone)

PurplePenny Broome: Raises hand

David7 Bravin: Yes Penny

PurplePenny Broome: I coudl ask asaffia in SL whether she wants to run an article in Prim Perfcet.  It used to cover other worlds but I haven't read it recently. *Saffia, *Prim Perfect

Alia Soulstar: Please do Penny

PurplePenny Broome: OK, will do.

David7 Bravin: As there are no more questions - Would you care to sum up Alia ?

Alia Soulstar: thanks David. Thanks to the really hard work of Ellemir and our other helpers, this move has been a lot smoother than I anticipated. The admins at Zeta are very helpful and accommodating and willing to try novel solutions and the fps speeds we're getting over there are great... and we are making contacts with nice people over there and extanding our circle, which again is great... hopefully within a week or two we will be having events, running missions and all the normal stuff, so, I'm very optimistic we made the right group choice last weekend, a big ups to you all, thanks !!!

Dolfke Barbosa: comment

David7 Bravin: Many thanks Alia - and to all your helpers

Ellemir Maven: Comment

David7 Bravin: Yes Dolfke

Dolfke Barbosa: The USS Einstein will fly again Monday May 20th. end

David7 Bravin: Thanks Dolfke, Yes Ellemir?

Ellemir Maven: So far, those we met at zeta have been nothing but friendly and welcoming.  We had about five people come to the weekly celtic capers on Friday and then join us at the beach afterparty, five people not from here I meant.

David7 Bravin: understood - thanks Eleemir

David7 Bravin: I now declare the  meeting over

JayR Cela: is there a meeting next week here in 3RG ?

Alia Soulstar: yes, might be the last.

Ellemir Maven: Our last one before the 5 servers shut down.  When is the drop dead date Dol?

Dolfke Barbosa: May 14th, but they are payed for one month more, so they will still be available for us when needed till June.

Alia Soulstar: oh yeah, And Eldo will hold OARs for some time after it has closed if they are needed.

David7 Bravin: Bye everyone - take care.

Story to continue in : My Virtual Life after 3rd Rock Grid's Closure : Part 9 

OpenSim HyperGrid : OnGoing massive Attack to Multiple OpenSIm Sights

 By Avatar JayR Cela

September 12 - 8:12 pm est

: Breaking News : Multiple independent Open Sim based  grids, and their web sites seem to be under a massive DDNS attact. 

Open Sim : HyperGrid : My Virtual Life after 3rd Rock Grid's Closure : Part 7 : and The Decision Is..... ??

 By Avatar JayR Cela : opening statement taken from David7's weekly meeting summary notecard.

On Sunday 28th April a Special 3RG Community Meeting was held to consider and decide upon which Grid the Community should move to once 3rd Rock Grid closes on 14th May. 

Prior to the meeting, Alia Soulstar had distributed the following link :

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AQpkl4qYa27joSJ57P-uO0kh0tUrjzCEROTMLzzyJAI/edit

to the document entitled 3rd Wind Community, which gives information about the four Grids that had given presentations to previous Community Meetings and a summary of the options under consideration.

Alia gave an informative presentation about the 3rd Wind Community document, answered questions and listened to comments. 

During the discussions it was agreed that two of the Grids, namely Alternate Metaverse and Barefoot Dreamers, should be discounted.

A vote was then made on the remaining two Grids, namely, ZetaWorlds and Wolf Territories, which ZetaWorlds was chosen as the preferred choice with a clear majority of 17 to 2. 

As such, Alia explained that she would be contacting ZetaWorlds Grid to move things forward. 

The next 3RG Community Meeting will be on Saturday 4th May at 1.00 pm (grid time).  

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This was a long meeting and towards the end became almost unmanageable, with participants sometimes texting over one in other. As usual a slightly edited Chat Log of the meeting follows:

Alia Soulstar: it's a long document so skip to the synopsis if you haven't had time to read it

David7 Bravin: Greetings and welcome everyone........Thanks for coming to this special 3RG Community meeting at such short notice.....I hope everyone has had a chance to look at the 3rd Wind Community document that has been produced  - as amongst other things, it sets the pros and cons of the four Grids that have given their presentations - and gives us an ideal framework for our discussions today.  Thanks Alia and everyone involved in producing that document....Before we start - can everyone say "Here" for the record.

Han BoShi: here

Alia Soulstar: here

Michel Farrell: Here

Lannorra Sion: here

Astro Balut: here

Georgina Mills: Here

Patrice Charmann: Here

PurplePenny Broome: here

Oola Quan: here

Wolfton Foulsbane: Here

Tek Bachman: here

JayR Cela: here

Aviana Pacem: here

Sunbeam Magic: Here

Ellemir Maven: here

Nila Shvaress: here

Kestral Roffo: Here

Thoria Millgrove: here

Dolfke Barbosa: here

David7 Bravin: Thanks everyone. I will shortly ask Alia to start the discussions.. But before I do - By way of a reminder - if you want to speak - please "Raise a Hand" and wait to be called.. Okay Alia please.

Alia Soulstar: thank you David,and I apologize in advance, there's a lot of ground to cover, I will try to be brief,but brevity is not my superpower. I will firstly repeat something I said last night as it is the most important thing... we are going to make a choice about which grid we will move to, we have narrowed it to 4 But our choice isn't really “which grid?”. There is a deeper choice we need to make. Will we move together, as a community, and preserve our lands, our character and our friendships? The things that bind us as 3RG, or will we disperse and go where our individual impulses take us? That is the real choice… if we choose to merge into a grid without our community assets, then it doesn’t really matter which grid we choose or even if we all choose the same grid. The work we have done... seeking out suitable grids, talking to owners...hasn't been random, we have been focused on finding a way to migrate en mass. So that we can reform  and still be together, as a family and a support network, because we all share the values that brought us here in the first place. Grids that offered only private lands from their rate card gave us no mechanism for supporting our assets. They represent the second choice, dispersal, and we did not bother to ask a number of those grids to present here. Grids that offered us dedicated servers, however, offered us a pathway to incorporating our community lands in our migration, we can carve up a server between paid and unpaid lands and still provide private lands at reasonable prices. I'll go into details on that in a second but I want to do a little segue first. You would have noticed the 3rd Wind logo at the top of that document...The name and logo “3rd Rock Grid” is the intellectual property of Stichting Cultural Harbour, who retired the property to protect its legacy. We, the community, don’t own it. 3RG is anyway the name of a grid. And we are no longer a grid. We don’t own servers or have a real world address or operate as a service provider or have terms of service. We are a community, independent of servers, that can exist anywhere. So the name “3rd Wind” is a rebranding that is specific to our community… it is an identity thing. Most cultures talk somewhere in their creation stories about the elements. Earth, Water, Wind and Fire. Rock is Earth, 3rd Fire and 3rd Water are kinda lame but, “Second Wind” means “a new strength or energy to continue something that is an effort”, and a “Third Wind” is when you think you are completely run out but you go on anyway. Often used when something really bad has happened and you think you are finished, but you find unexpected strength. It is clearly a strong metaphor for our situation.

Astro Balut: :)

David7 Bravin: nods

Aviana Pacem: agrees

Kestral Roffo: nods

Alia Soulstar: The preface “3rd” acts as our link to “3rd Rock” and we will memorialise our history through our assets, our builds and our people so the link will live despite the name tweak. And as a nice aside, A search on google for 3rd Rock or 3rd Rock Community will always deliver 20 pages of results pointing at the US Sitcom “3rd Rock from the Sun” A search for “3rd Wind Community” will land on us at the top of every search engine list.

Aviana Pacem: claps (well done)

JayR Cela: lol

Sunbeam Magic: Smiles

Alia Soulstar: anyway, I wanted to clarify the thinking around it  in case people had qualms.

Lannorra Sion: :)

Astro Balut: Amazing thinking

JayR Cela: wild conclusion but it works

Alia Soulstar: Back to the grids and the offers we received. AMV offered us a dedicated server but it was $500, more that twice as much as other grid offers, and they gave very little flexibility in land size or prim count, as an aside to this they have since become aware we had much better pricing from other grids and indicated they would engage in a pricing war... I have two things to say about that, the best price we received was $110 for that service. If AMV can suddenly find $400 of fat to trim from their "best" offer, then there is a game going on in the wings, we asked them for their best offer in the first instance.

Aviana Pacem: yup

Astro Balut: yes, and how long will the discount last?

Sunbeam Magic: Nods

Patrice Charmann: It has to feel right from the start!

Alia Soulstar: And I personally feel uncomfortable about dealing with that level of flexibility

JayR Cela: Alia has the floor

Sunbeam Magic: If they are already Greedy we know their personality which we should consider too dealing with the servers' owners we should consider imho

Alia Soulstar: That's OK Jay, I don't mind comments, just don't ask questions yet :)

David7 Bravin: Please keep comments till Alia has finished

Alia Soulstar: On the basis of the offer that AMV originally made... our only affordable path with them was to dump our community lands completely and buy privately, off their general rate card. And that makes AMV a grid you disperse into with no traces of 3RG with their new posturing... as I mentioned, I feel uncomfortable about them... So I would like to clear the air now.. I move here to scratch AMV from our decision process ... can we have a show of hands on this please?  say Aye if you agree with the motion to remove AMV from further consideration and Nay if you do not.

Patrice Charmann: aye

Aviana Pacem: Second

Tek Bachman: aye

Michel Farrell: Aye

JayR Cela: second

Sunbeam Magic: Aye

David7 Bravin: AYE

PurplePenny Broome: aye

Aviana Pacem: aye

Lannorra Sion: aye

Ellemir Maven: Aye

Dolfke Barbosa: aye

Wolfton Foulsbane: Aye

Thoria Millgrove: aye

Oola Quan: aye

Nila Shvaress: aye

Astro Balut: aye

Kestral Roffo: Aye

Alia Soulstar: I think that is unanimous, thank you. That makes the process a little easier.  Let’s strike AMV from the list

Kestral Roffo: Aye

Alia Soulstar: Moving on…that leaves us with two grids that both supply a dedicated server and one that offers mega mega regions and a 4x4 as a community zone. Wolf Territories offered us a 4x4 for community and otherwise buying off his rate card. It's actually not a bad offer and again there has been further movement on this... He offered today to match any other offer we have.

Kestral Roffo: nods

Alia Soulstar: but, that is not as simple as it sounds, Wolf has a different set up, his smallest region size is a 4x4 Var, even if he supplies a server at the sort of prices that the others have, our ability to carve up that server is extremely limited. To match the other offers he needs to match the way they handle server deployment which seems unlikely, so we would need to spend some time talking to him about what exactly he means and if he realizes what the cost is to him of matching other grids. I suspect he does not, on his rate card Wolf's cheapest region is $25.40. Being able to bring all our people with us is affected by the prices we can negotiate, and the ways that we can self-organise. We wondered if we could make Wolf work by buying 12 x 12s off the top of his rate card and squishing community lands into them, but…

1. a million prims and numberless scripts crammed on even the fastest servers will create death by lag.

2. the regions become complicated OARs with multiple ownerships and are later impossible to extract.

3. And we still have to pay for these lands on top of our private land purchases… we would, in effect, be taxing you to run community lands in this set up.

Sunbeam Magic: I move here to scratch Wolf Territories from our decision process

Kestral Roffo: second

Tek Bachman: third

Aviana Pacem: aye

Patrice Charmann: aye

JayR Cela: nay

Dolfke Barbosa: aggrees

Michel Farrell: Aye

PurplePenny Broome: nay

David7 Bravin: AYE

Nila Shvaress: aye

Astro Balut: has there been a vote?

Ellemir Maven: Aye

Aviana Pacem: ?

Dolfke Barbosa: a spontaneous vote, Aviana

Aviana Pacem: I'd like to hear Purple's thoughts.

Alia Soulstar: it's a great indication but I wasn't actually going to suggest scratching Wolf unless people want to do that themselves of course.

Astro Balut: aye if the question I didn't see was of the same type as the first, hehehe.

Thoria Millgrove: ((the meeting chair has gone along with a vote, so yes there seems to be))

Thoria Millgrove: aye

Sunbeam Magic: Too many red flags I see with them

Lannorra Sion: aye

Dolfke Barbosa: I also would like Penny's opinion on her nay.

Han BoShi: o/

JayR Cela: I said nay also

Aviana Pacem: atm it's apples and oranges, but would like to hear from Penny

Dolfke Barbosa: and JayR's

Aviana Pacem: …and Jay

Sunbeam Magic: nods

David7 Bravin: Alia - how would you like to proceed ?

Alia Soulstar: Ok sooo... we could leave Wolf in the hat for the final vote or scratch the grid, I don't think he has the numbers on what I just saw... there is a little more I can add to what I was saying, the bit I was about to get to was. Ruling out the distraction of an offer to "match any other offer" when no one really knows what that means and looking just at his initial offer... We have a model with Wolf where we have a token community center, a 4x4 and private ownership clustered around it. In the other two offers we have a model where we can have 200 community regions and cheaper land prices for members. In contrast to Wolf’s $25.40, in both the other grids you can own private land starting at $2.50. That is one tenth the entry point on Wolf Territories. So the grids offering full community (server) options are not only cheaper overall and keeping far more of our community lands intact, they are more inclusive. We are not leaving people behind on the basis of cost. I personally don't see any comparison in those offers but there are features of his grid that are appealing. Onto the other two then...

Alia Soulstar: Zeta have offered us a good quality dedicated server managed by a professional hosting company in Germany for $108 month. On a spec for dollar pricing that is pretty much at cost.

Sunbeam Magic: my thoughts were to move us along to get to the 2 in contenders.. Zeta and Barefoot and looks like most agreed Wolf is not a match for what we are envisioning.

Alia Soulstar: In fact Elle has gone crazy trying to work out how they make any profit.

Ellemir Maven: grumbles.

Alia Soulstar: We can design our community on that server any way we choose and carry a very large community asset (around 200 SL regions) And we can still sell our members private lands at prices that are lower than any professional grid’s rate card (including Zetas) If we choose Zeta, we already have a business plan and a community model on the drawing board. We already have the financial resources in place to pull the trigger today. We have a system to seamlessly rebuild our lands, we have a crew in place to handle the transition, we have relationships in place with the owners.

Alia Soulstar: The BDG offer is much the same… except: 

• BDG’s server will cost us $266 month.

• The smaller size of the grid won’t add a lot of extra audience for our performers and venues.

• The grid infrastructure is not amazing… this is a grid running in someone’s spare room with a ceiling fan as its cooling system…

Sunbeam Magic: good point

Alia Soulstar: it is a risky choice on the IT front. And… if we choose BDG we need to find another $100 month to pay for it. We do not have sufficient financial commitment at this point that lets us pull the trigger. So if you do favor this option, please think about how You can contribute to make it cost-viable. I point again to the document you have and the summary at the end. back to David... questions and discussion.

Lannorra Sion: raises hand

Wolfton Foulsbane: raises his hand as well.

David7 Bravin: Many thanks Alia, Bravin: Okay...

Kestral Roffo: Raises hand

Sunbeam Magic: raises hand

David7 Bravin: Kestral please

Lannorra Sion: ?

Aviana Pacem: raises hand

Kestral Roffo: so  from looking at all plans  i feel business plan 1 is the one, remember we have two weeks only till 3rd rock closes. 

David7 Bravin: Thanks Kestral

Alia Soulstar: (Plan 1 is Zeta in the document, just to clarify)

David7 Bravin: Sunbeam please

Sunbeam Magic: I am partial to Zeta too... when I co owned 3rd Life grid they were our servers IT and responded quickly to any technical difficulties we had... plus they have 11 years experience. One more thing, they are open to discussion if you feel their policies effect you.

Georgina Mills: raises hand

David7 Bravin: Thanks Sunbeam, Lannora - You have a question? 

Lannorra Sion: Do we have any time limit guarantees on the costs from any of the candidates?  My fear is a good deal will end up being a bait and switch.

**** Please Take Note of the above comment from Lannora Sion **** "My fear is a good deal will end up being a bait and switch." *****

David7 Bravin: Can you answer that Alia ?

Alia Soulstar: That is a great question Lannorra, yes, I can give a semi answer. In terms of the three offers the one we had to double check was Zeta's because of the unbelievable cost so... Elle went directly to the Zeta's provider to find out exactly what server set ups they offer and pricing. Zeta is selling us a direct price set by the server company. It's a big company, I don't see them doing across the board price hikes.

JayR Cela: ("face palms")

Ellemir Maven: ((They "have your own server" price is right on the web site. But when we spoke to them, they gave us a menu of choices and we picked the best one))

Alia Soulstar: We have no guarantees but I see that as a form of surety.

Ellemir Maven: Comment to that

Sunbeam Magic: comment, in the few years we were with Zeta they only raised cost once.

Ellemir Maven: Two things. One, I found a datacenter in the Netherlands that has a server with exactly the same specifications as Zeta, for 175 euros a month (so 50%) more.  And I see no harm in asking any of these grids where we would get a server or land for say a 12 month guaranteed price)

David7 Bravin: Thanks Ellemir, Please go ahead Alia.

Alia Soulstar: Elle and Lannorra make great points. Nothing stops us from asking our host to lock their price for a year and I will personally do that when we have decided on the host.

David7 Bravin: Thanks Alia, Aviana please

Aviana Pacem: The history of promising-looking OS grids closing down is extensive. I think current longevity is an important factor. That gives a plus to Zeta.

Sunbeam Magic: Agree

Wolfton Foulsbane: still has his hand up too.

David7 Bravin: Thanks Aviana.  Did I miss you Wolfton ? Please go ahead.

Wolfton Foulsbane: I'd like to add that I did my independent, blind review of all the grids mentioned last night. For me, Zeta was the clear winner. Not only does the support seem to be at least as good as the support we are used to here, they offer the lowest prices, and they allow ages 13 and up so I can be more present since my kids can log on. I do not intend to offer UFS a foothold but my kids do want our own Star Trek community (no offense to Starfleet Infinity) as well as some other virtual experiences not tied to Star Trek. I'm prepared to move to Zeta with or without 3rd Wind, but I do miss hanging out with several of you that I've known for well over ten years. Now, I'd also like to offer my professional services as a Business Analyst. I write IT contracts for the government (State of Arizona) so I can help with eliciting requirements as well as contracts - should we need it.

David7 Bravin: Many thanks for that Wolfton, Georgina please.

Georgina Mills: What is the bandwidth of the Zetaworlds server?  At that price will there be lag?  As Lannorra said, is it 'bait and switch' with that server price increasing once they have us?  At that low price there must be megalag as the pipe bandwidth will surely be low?  Is that low price feasible and permanent in practice?

David7 Bravin: Can you answer that Alia ?

Alia Soulstar: Can I ask Elle to address that question, she is an expert on that.

Ellemir Maven: I can't comment directly. We know that Zeta is hosted in a german datacenter (you can see that on their web site) Data centers usually have impressive network performance. They provide an impressive number of server/network statistics at their welcome point for anyone to review.

Wolfton Foulsbane: has a comment

Thoria Millgrove: ((3RG is currently hosted in a German datacentre, for comparison))

Georgina Mills: comment

David7 Bravin: Thanks Ellemir

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Alia Soulstar: also this is the spec: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X - 128GB - 2 x NVMe 3,84 TB, somewhat specced up from our 3RG current settings.

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**************** please note the above "To good to be true" server spec promised************** 

David7 Bravin: Sunbeam please

Sunbeam Magic: The number of grids they service may give them lower prices on servers, there for they can pass those along.

Alia Soulstar: comment

David7 Bravin: Yes Alia

Alia Soulstar: I cannot say this with knowledge but I am related to Sherlock Holmes through my mothers great aunt.... ZetaWorld uses the datacentre Zetamex. I suspect they are related and the the server price is low to them for a reason, something about the prefix...

David7 Bravin: Thanks Alia

Sunbeam Magic: Smiles

David7 Bravin: JayR please

JayR Cela: I was at the WTG meeting just before this meeting.... I want to move forward not lateral..... WTG is currently the cutting edge and I want to be there.... if we decide to move as a group to Zeta, I will commit a 12 month silver registration in order to move and preserve what's left of 3RG.... however.... on April 30th, I have all ready made arrangements to lease a 4x4 on WTG / taking advantage of his discount.... so what ever is decided / I can commit $120 US to the move.

Sunbeam Magic: In what ways are they on "the cutting edge" there ?

David7 Bravin: Thanks for that commitment JayR

Alia Soulstar: comment

David7 Bravin: Yes Alia

Michel Farrell: Comment

Georgina Mills: still waiting to comment

Alia Soulstar: Jay makes a solid point. Wolf does seem to be pioneering tech. I have an avatar on that grid too and i really like his AI interface. Zeta are a testing and development grid and are leading edge too.

David7 Bravin: Thanks Alia, Georgina please

Georgina Mills: I have seen cheap land for sale before with low bandwidth, if you pay more you get lag free.

Alia Soulstar: comment

David7 Bravin: Yes Alia

Ellemir Maven: ((I can also comment))

Alia Soulstar: Lag is not just bandwidth. It is the number of prims on a region, the number and complexities of scripts, the number of regions crammed on a server. If we are allocating server resources we control much of that... (cont)

Sunbeam Magic: it can also be affected by your own internet service ... lag

Alia Soulstar: another thing that is death by lag is the function of servers calling up information from other servers. If an endpoint goes offline then the call-up goes into a loop that can kill a set of regions. Zeta assured us yesterday they actively block the sort of amateur grids that create this problem so they seem to have a good grasp of performance curation.

Kestral Roffo: Raises hand

David7 Bravin: Thanks Alia, Ellemir please

Dolfke Barbosa: comment

Ellemir Maven: I wonder at the underlying issue here.  I have no reason to think that a server in a pro data center is going to be better or worse than wherever any of the other grids are (other than the ones in someone's basement). The server Zeta is offering is about triple the performance of what 3RG is running on right now (more) Also, Zeta was pioneering things like load balancing robust before some of these other grids were even a thing, so I don't consider them "inferior" in their technology to anyone. end

David7 Bravin: Thanks Ellemir, Kestral please

Kestral Roffo: ok so i do not understand  Tech stuff. but i believe in Alia and Elle's judgment, therefore we have two  to choose, let us take it to the vote ****end****

David7 Bravin: Thanks Kestral, Dolfke please

Dolfke Barbosa: I was at Zeta a week earlier, and had the highest FPS I ever had ...

David7 Bravin: I do not have any more names waiting to speak on my list  (unless I have missed anyone)

Alia Soulstar: comment

JayR Cela: raise hand

David7 Bravin: Alia please

Alia Soulstar: After Jay has spoken I suggest we have a vote. We are sufficient in numbers here to represent the community as a quorum. My suggestion is that each person simply say their preferred grid name and we tally them. I have been asked by Laz and Lorin to present their proxy vote. end

David7 Bravin: Understood - thanks Alia, JayR please

Kestral Roffo: I have Oolas proxy

JayR Cela: my main concern obviously is to preserver the Great Central Lake region in the upcoming 3rd Wind initiative / I will also be rebuilding a new Lake on WTG with some extra land available for anyone interested. If I am able to remain estate manager for the Lake in the new 3rd Wind Is OK with me.

David7 Bravin: Alia has suggested that we now put it to the vote. Do I have a seconder on that ?

Kestral Roffo: I second

David7 Bravin: Thanks Kestral, So please say the name of the Grid you would like to vote for.

Astro Balut: zeta

JayR Cela: Wolf

Nila Shvaress: Zeta

Aviana Pacem: Zeta

Patrice Charmann: Zeta

Sunbeam Magic: ZetaWorlds

Michel Farrell: ZetaWorlds

Wolfton Foulsbane: Zeta - and I do not need anything from here backed up or transferred. I'm interested in a 3x3 and I'll start from scratch.

Alia Soulstar: Zeta

Georgina Mills: Wolf

David7 Bravin: ZetaWorlds

Tek Bachman: Zeta

Lannorra Sion: abstain

Ellemir Maven: Zeta

Kestral Roffo: [Oola proxy] Zeta

PurplePenny Broome: Wolf

Alia Soulstar: [Laz proxy] Zeta

Kestral Roffo: Zeta

Thoria Millgrove: Zeta

Alia Soulstar: [Lorin proxy] Zeta

Georgina Mills: abstain!

Dolfke Barbosa: zeta

Slash Godard: I abstain- because I'm leaving

JayR Cela: tell me when and how to pay the $ amount

David7 Bravin: Thanks everyone

Lannorra Sion: Alia, I would also like to do a patronage

Kestral Roffo: me also

Aviana Pacem : ty David, and ty Alia, and everyone who put so much work into this.

Alia Soulstar: comment

Sunbeam Magic: Yes and how to set up our Patron status... or should we wait on that until after the move ?

David7 Bravin: Alia - would you care to say any more ?

Alia Soulstar: thanks David and thanks everyone....

Ellemir Maven: I just want to comment.  Before anyone has any buyer's remorse.  It may turn out that whatever grid we choose is not the right one.  In a year we say "this is not working for us"  And as a community we can decide to move.

Patrice Charmann: Thank you to all of you who have put so much into this!

Sunbeam Magic: That's the glory of choice Ellemir, well said!

Aviana Pacem: Also… thank you for the 3WC name and logo. Beautiful. I love them.

Alia Soulstar: firstly. Those who voted against and abstained, you are still absolutely welcome to be part of the Zeta community and to join our events, groups and the community itself as members, and I truly wish you success on whatever grids you make your home...

Sunbeam Magic: Hear hear!!!

Kestral Roffo: yep

Wolfton Foulsbane: thumbs up "[13:50] Ellemir Maven: I just want to comment.  Before anyone has any buyer's remorse.  It may turn out that whatever grid we choose is not the right one.  In a year we say "this is not working for us"  And as a community we can decide to move."

Tek Bachman: let me know when the transition will take place and what I need to do

Ellemir Maven: Have you asked admin for your oar and Iar tek?

Tek Bachman: yes i have it

Alia Soulstar: secondly, we are going to set up all the financials, that was waiting for a result from this process, the moment we do we can start processing patrons and land owners so if you have not already talked to me about land or patronage, please IM me and/or email me.

 Lannorra Sion: I have never hid the fact that I have my own non commercial grid.  That led to my bias against Zeta where, I may not even be able to visit you all.  But I will commit to a patronage to help.

Alia Soulstar: thirdly... we now have to manage the transition,,, we can help you move your assets and inventories to Zeta... if you need that help, please IM Elle. fourth... we will talk to Zeta today and get the ball rolling, the moment we have paid for it and got it set up, we will inform everyone. fifth... 

Han BoShi: Lannorra, you should talk to Zeta about getting an exception for your grid. We talked yesterday after you left that they often make exceptions once they get to know more about the situation.

Alia Soulstar: fifth... go here to join the community: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1cqeLtT-kU4N0MI-z0j5thR7YJjC95DUtAegnbFiJ03Q

Georgina Mills: I have to have a Google account to join the group ?

Lannorra Sion: Thank you Han.  I am not sure my ideals jive with theirs

Kestral Roffo: easy enough Georgina

Ellemir Maven: You do not Georgina. Ignore the save settings at the top and just fill in your name and email at the bottom.  Artifact of stupid google forms.

Astro Balut: https://zetaworlds.com/home

David7 Bravin: Wolfton please go ahead

Sunbeam Magic: raises hand

Wolfton Foulsbane: I haven't seen the charter. May I have a link, please?

Thoria Millgrove: https://3rdwc.com/charter/index4.html

Michel Farrell: I am forced to login in order to fill in the form ?

David7 Bravin: Sunbeam please go ahead

Sunbeam Magic: I have a 3 x 3 now but only saw 5 x 5 on Zeta docs ? and also do we sign up each avatar we have here ?

Alia Soulstar: This website was prefilled Zeta but would have changed with another vote: https://3rdwc.com It has all the links.

Wolfton Foulsbane: raises hand

Sunbeam Magic: did I get an answer ?

David7 Bravin: Yes Wolfton

David7 Bravin: Alia can you answer Sunbeams question please

Alia Soulstar: Yes....

Sunbeam Magic: thank you

Wolfton Foulsbane: Two questions - What do you mean 1x1 to 5x5. For example, is a 5x5 with 20k prims $20 or $250? and is that 20k prims each or total?

Alia Soulstar: Sunbeam, please buy your land through us, not through the Zeta website. Our land is cheaper, more flexible, any size you want and in our cluster. Just give me your order, IM or email and we'll set you up. as for alts....

Sunbeam Magic: doesn't it make a difference when transferring OAR that lands match ?

Wolfton Foulsbane: *$500?

Thoria Millgrove: no, as long as the destination is the same size or larger

Alia Soulstar: Zeta restricts alts to 3 but we are negotiating for more as we have RP groups and the like. You don't need to sign alts up to the community, we only issue one community ID and your alts can use that

Sunbeam Magic: okies

David7 Bravin: Alia or Ellemir - can you answer Wolfton's question please?

Alia Soulstar: Wolfton...

Sunbeam Magic: one more thing though, okay AAcme may have different ID than me and Venus ??? no ??

Alia Soulstar: we are not charging on size, you choose the size and tell us. $20 is 50k prims any sized land. Sunbeam.... Your ID is the number you vote with and it protects your identity in fiscal matters so, we can't issue them to the non living or to alts, but these alts are of course free range members of the community.

Sunbeam Magic: thank you Alia ...

Thoria Millgrove: I'm Thoria Millgrove in SL and Zeta

JayR Cela: raise hand

David7 Bravin: Yes JayR

JayR Cela: so when ya gonna pull the trigger and actually need some RL $ in order to do this ?

Alia Soulstar: JayR... we will set up banking asap and inform everyone of the details... within days, depends on the banking system.

Lannorra Sion: Its been an honor and a privilege to have served with you all for the 3RG community and now the 3rd Wind. I must leave.  See you all soon I hope.

Ellemir Maven: Like Alia I am probably getting the same questions.

Nila Shvaress: comment

David7 Bravin: Yes Nila

Ellemir Maven: So this is the sequence I think if I may?

Nila Shvaress: I just wanted to say that a party is in the works, it will be on 3RG before it closes.

Michel Farrell: when ?

David7 Bravin: Thanks Nila

Ellemir Maven: First we are sorting out who wants what and how much it costs.  Payment will probably be Paypal and we are trying to figure out how much they charge as a premium. (more)

Nila Shvaress: we don't have date set yet that I am aware of

JayR Cela: PayPal is a No Go for me, Mastercard only.

Ellemir Maven: I am sure we can find something else then JayR.

David7 Bravin: It looks like the meeting is finishing ......so before I close the meeting....

Thoria Millgrove: (you can pay Mastercard through Paypal without a Paypal account)

Ellemir Maven: So next step is we order the server from Zeta, and they need a day or two to prep it, and the first month rent in advance

David7 Bravin: On behalf of everyone here (and those that have already left)..

JayR Cela: next meeting is when ???

Kestral Roffo: visa or Mastercard is my preference but i can work with paypal well Oola can smiles.

Ellemir Maven: Next, we are drawing a map, what regions go where, what size are they, etc.

David7 Bravin: may I thank Alia and Ellemir for giving us the necessary information so that we could make the right choice.

Ellemir Maven: Once we have the map, we pass that info to Zeta and they build out the regions with the right sizes, prims etc.. then after all that, you open a ticket with Zeta, upload your oar and iar and they load it up for you. You move in, we have a party.

Thoria Millgrove: wooo!

David7 Bravin: I presume that we will be having another Community meeting next Saturday ????

JayR Cela: how about if I don't own the .OAR file it is owned by 3RG

Ellemir Maven: So what you should do in the meantime, is create an account on Zeta. Dolfke can you authorize Jay getting a copy of his lakes region oar?

Thoria Millgrove: I think the board will need to clear it, but I'm sure we will.

Dolfke Barbosa: That will need a board decision, Elle

Thoria Millgrove: As a member of the 3RG board, as well as a long time community member here, I will say 3rd Wind gives me hope. Well done all, and especially Alia and Elle!

Ellemir Maven: Okay, is there any reason it won't be like any other community lands?

PurplePenny Broome: If we have an alt, and a partner who rarely comes in world and also has an alt would they load their IARs as well?

Dolfke Barbosa: but pls ask Eldovar for one, or let Alia make the request, I vote positive for it

Alia Soulstar: in terms of IARs....

Ellemir Maven: Alia can you answer that? I think its best to grab and import all those IAR Penny.

PurplePenny Broome: yes, I given Eldo the relevant information.

Alia Soulstar: they are a way to move an inventory. We can load your IAR in Zeta through their ticket system but I would add one point...

Ellemir Maven: No Alia, I think she means should she ask for all three.

Alia Soulstar: an IAR can take a while to extract from the servers and Eldo has to do it. I have an IAR of my avatar but I won't task him for my alts, I can remake them easily enough. It's just a to give the poor man a break.

David7 Bravin: I PRESUME THAT WE WILL BE HOLDING ANOTHER COMMUNITY MEETING NEXT SATURDAY ??????/

Alia Soulstar: YES

Nila Shvaress: I won't need IARs for any of my avatars. I can transfer what I need

Alia Soulstar: and a giant leaving party

Wolfton Foulsbane: raises hand

JayR Cela: sounds good

Aviana Pacem: lol

Astro Balut: Hi friends, it's late in Denmark. I will follow up on this tomorrow. Thanks for this great meeting and the hard work you did.

David7 Bravin: Thanks Alia, Yes Wolfton

Wolfton Foulsbane: Does 3WC have a discord server?

Thoria Millgrove: They do Wolfton

Dolfke Barbosa: AND a grand new Wind party too at Zeta

Thoria Millgrove: I just joined it

Aviana Pacem: votes for a Discord server

Thoria Millgrove: Create an account with Zeta, and then you can request to join their Discord

Ellemir Maven: I will start the discord server right now

David7 Bravin: The I think it is time for me to say "MEETING CLOSED"

    As you all ready know the decision to migrate 3rd Rock Grid over to ZetaWorlds was made and the wheels of progress were quickly set into motion. Once the migration began the initial results were ???? 

Story to continue in : My Virtual Life after 3rd Rock Grid's Closure : Part 8 

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OpenSim : HyperGrid : My Virtual Life after 3rd Rock Grid's Closure : Part 6 : The Urgency of Decision

 By Avatar JayR Cela :

    Immediately following the April 27 meeting with Zeta Worlds, there was the now usual after-meeting.  Unlike the three previous Grid's presentations. This time there was a sense of extreme urgency. The clock was ticking. 3rd Rocks Grid's final day would be May 15 2024. Final, end of that story, and an important chapter in future OpenSim history books would close forever.  

    And so the meeting continues :

Alia Soulstar: David, do you think everyone will decide at one meeting? I can talk to you right now and offer clarity but it will take half an hour at least.

David7 Bravin: If we inform everyone in advance -   giving them the information - it could work.

Georgina Mills: So we have a week to examine the small print of their websites, don't get caught out.  Remember Willy Wonka.

Alia Soulstar: there are 4 websites to scrutinise Georgina.

Georgina Mills: Yes

Alia Soulstar: The document I linked you to is the relevant information.

Georgina Mills: Caveat Emptor, buyer beware

Alia Soulstar: and that can be disseminated to all our members, but it still needs unpacking.

PurplePenny Broome: An email to fee paying landowners should be a priority.  I only found out because I read the MInutes of the last two meetings

Alia Soulstar: my point Penny

David7 Bravin: WE could just send out the link to the document with an explanation

Alia Soulstar: We understand the stresses the board are under but there should be communication

Dolfke Barbosa: We need to decide fast David, the grid will close in 2 weeks

David7 Bravin: understood

Dolfke Barbosa: so a meeting tomorrow is primordial

Lorin Tone: I can't be here tomorrow, but I'm just a shadow under Alia's avatar, so my votes go with hers, lol.  Whichever choice or choices made by this grid's community, I'll get involved with them.

Dolfke Barbosa: we need a decision to what Grid we want to move

PurplePenny Broome: Are transcripts of the earlier presentations available?  Not the minutes, the actual chat log?

Alia Soulstar: and we need time to make sure everyone has OARs and avatars to transfer to and who wants land and all that once the decision is made

Dolfke Barbosa: only Eldovar has the OAR's, and only he can make any IAR

David7 Bravin: The Minutes of those presenations ate essentially the chat logs. Penny - I do have the Chat Logs as well -  but they won't say anything different.

Dolfke Barbosa: Everything is coverd in Alia's Document, Penny : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AQpkl4qYa27joSJ57P-uO0kh0tUrjzCEROTMLzzyJAI/edit

Dolfke Barbosa: May I summarise a little ?

PurplePenny Broome: Yes, but there is a lot to learn from the chat about the personalities of the grid's personnel, not just what they presented.

Dolfke Barbosa: Wolf Territories does not provide us an option of getting our own server

PurplePenny Broome: And that is important to me

Dolfke Barbosa: AMV neither

Ellemir Maven: Incorrect Dolfke, AMV does have a server option.

Dolfke Barbosa: Barefoot and Zeta offer us our own server.

Ellemir Maven: but its either very expensive, or shared

Alia Soulstar: What I will say is this... We are going to make a choice about which grid we will move to, we have narrowed it to 4...But our choice isn't really “which grid?”. There is a deeper choice. Will we move together, as a community, and preserve our lands, our character and our friendships? or will we disperse and go where our individual impulses take us? That's the real choice and that is what you have to read as a subtext into the offers that have been presented to us.

Lorin Tone: "All of the above" is usually my answer to that question, because it's possible

Alia Soulstar: if we choose to merge into a grid without our community assets, then it doesn’t really matter which grid we choose or even if we all choose the same grid

Alia Soulstar: anyway, Please read the document. I am happy to help anyone who needs help deciphering it, though the language is not that technical.

Michel Farrell: Will read that tomorrow.

Alia Soulstar: I'm the least technical person here.

PurplePenny Broome: So are we meeting tomorrow at noon?

Alia Soulstar: I will be here, we can ask our starfleet people to be here, we have their emails.

    The next day's meeting would prove to be... ?

Story to continue in : My Virtual Life after 3rd Rock Grid's Closure :  Part 7

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OpenSim : HyperGrid : My Virtual Life after 3rd Rock Grid's Closure : Part 5 : Zeta Worlds Grid

 By Avatar JayR Cela :

On April 27 we had a visit from the Zeta Worlds grid team, this is what they were offering.

David7 Bravin: OKay - it looks like everyone is here that's coming...... Greetings and welcome Everyone.This is another special Community meeting to continue considering the future of the 3RG Community. We have special visitors here today from ZetaWorlds  Grid, who will be giving us a presentation shortly. I would now like to welcome and  introduce Vincent.Sylvester and  Edison.Rex from ZetaWorlda Grid.Please do not interrupt their presentation and keep any questions to the end - not forgetting to "Raise a Hand" first - and wait to be called. Vincent and Edison -  Please go ahead.

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: okay, well. I think we can start with the history of Zetaworlds. Zetaworlds is over 11 years old now, We have servers in both North America and Europe. Our grid runs on Opensim software based on core, but modified.

Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: It originally started just as a way for testing things, not really doing much headway in community. It evolved over the years into what it is now.

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: We've had a free land programme for years now, and we also allow self hosting. I'll let Vincent tak about our approach to grid management.

Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds: These days the focus is on stability and being a good neighbor in the wider community. I highly value education and try to provide a lot of information both technical and in terms of how we approach the metaverse

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: if you've seen our website you can see how we build on what is there.

Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: As it evolved out of a testing platform for new features the aim was always to bring movement into OpenSim itself so over the years we have worked to build a working relationship with the core team

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: we were early adopters of ubODE physics, for example

Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: In terms of community though I leave most of those things to Ed and Kelly here, with a mostly hands-off approach as the saying goes live and let live. It's my goal to allow communities to build how they would like to build and not interfere much unless I have to

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: as to that, the terms of service guides that

Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: For going on 15 years now I have been on and off running communities and engaging with OpenSim, which is what has led to that approach as I think there is much value in providing an open platform like we have. That said I suspect there are some that have heard about some of the policies implemented on our end. The restrictions we put in place to some degree. They are the result of the aforementioned wish to educate on good practices and equally as measure to protect our end. I'm aware that does feel strong handed in some regard, but it is a difficult thing for us to work out. Trying to prevent detrimental effects and staying as open as possible. There is a lot of potential and good in OpenSim and that's worth protecting and fostering, but it needs information. It sounds cliche but knowledge does make a big difference in that regard and over the years it has shown us that it goes such a long way to create a community that critically thinks about problems and seeks solutions that work for everyone. Nobody is perfect and both Ed and Kelly have shown me that there is always things to work on and think about, constant flux if you will. That is why it strikes me very much when I heard about what happened to you. It was almost like a constant that I had relied on suddenly went away. I did send Ed out to see what was needed at first. It was surprising to me to see you reaching out to us, but from the conversations I have had so far it seems that I probably should not have been. While things never align perfectly I do agree that there is quite a bit of overlap in the approach to things, but the extent only time will tell, though I hope regardless of the decisions made that you all find a home your are comfortable with no matter where.

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: and with that, we're open to questions.

David7 Bravin: Many thanks for that presentation Vincent and Edison - very interesting......

Are there any questions ?

JayR Cela: I see that your grid is using ubODE physics engine Grid Wide ?

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: yes, we moved to ubODE early on

JayR Cela: have you been able to resolve the many problems that seem to be associated with using the ubODE physics engine and Mesh Building structures ?

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: that's all down to physics hulls.

Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Outside of specific needs that is the default. While Bullet is still available it isn't maintained in core it is still there. It is meant to get updates according to misterblue, but they have not materialized yet.

JayR Cela: your website says open water and land and air travel are possible or is this a standard feature ?

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: we have a very large series of regions contiguously joined set up as ocean, and by very large, well over 20 miles each direction last I saw.

Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: That's part of the policies specific to the Ocean project that Ed maintains yes, it's meant to make sure you don't hit banlines, but of course if there is a need for privacy that isn't set in stone either. The regions themselves are all open though for any vehicles

David7 Bravin: Thanks

Jedburgh Dagger: Can you tell me about your server backup plan, and include how often you verify those are good and working?

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: over to Vincent for this comment:

Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Every 8 hours a auto backup is made, those are moved daily to a backup location and replicated to an offsite storage as well. They are the basic asset-less oars from the auto backup module. Full database backups of all regions are made daily as well. Manual full oars can be issued via the website for anyone that owns a region. From time to time OpenSim hiccups do result in rolling back stuff, so far that has not failed.

David7 Bravin: Are there any more questions ?

Dolfke Barbosa: on your Website I read, the creation of alternate accounts is discouraged. Creating more than 3 accounts is prohibited and will result in suspension of some or all accounts. For Starfleet we have many ships, and every ship has his own crew, read: alts ..., can that be arranged ?

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: TL;DR, yes

Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Some of the education customers we have create a lot of accounts for their students so if there is good reason for more accounts to exist that is generally not a problem. The rule mainly exists for those that utilize them for less than nice purposes. The policy is aimed toward abusers.

Dolfke Barbosa: Understood, a second question, are ppl from a dreamworldgrid welcome to your grid, via HG ?

Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: This goes toward the restrictions I mentioned. A problem that isn't well understood in the metaverse surrounding how OpenSim handles hypergrid data. We found a lot of these installations pop up and create data endpoints that then disappear overnight, which causes OpenSim to fish in the dark trying and locking up its pipes to reach them. The detrimental effects can go as far as preventing teleports to regions in extreme cases. Similarly you have issues with DNS caching not following TTL times and such. It's caused us to restrict access to certain known dynamic dns providers as they failed to update in time.

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: if you've got friends lists and group lists which you can't remove yourself from, because that grid is gone, or assets with missing parts.

Georgina Mills: So if I turn off the grid at night it creates a new connection that's different?

Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: The other thing that goes into this is a legal one. As these setups are open from the start they allow new registrations, which can be used to evade bans or create other havoc. By default they don't provide any way to contact the owners of them or even list who they are. Trying to then resolve problems becomes ten times more difficult and it worries me greatly to whether the operates understand the risks and liabilities of running their grids. We restrict those with a link to more information about those things to try and resolve these. Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: On windows famously DNS ttl times are just completely ignored. It caches the ip for a domain until you reboot, which can lead to all sorts of funky things. The problem is that if OpenSim cannot connect to an endpoint it keeps trying for 30 seconds and there is only so many spots in the queue for those requests to get stuck in. After a while it just breaks down and kills the http connection, which can lock you out of a region in the worst case. In many cases things like friends, creator data of prims and other stuff can cause these issues and leaving these endpoints around not understanding the gravity of what it might cause. Sure they can be cleaned up on our end, but that's time and effort and it is hard to track where it might be needed.

Ellemir Maven: Sorry, I just want to follow that for a moment.  Because although we got a big long answer, I am not sure if it was a No. I think it was (more) As far as I know there are two kinds of Dreamgrid.  One is a home computer behind a dynamic DNS that might get turned on when someone feels like it.  Those are typically outworldz.com systems I think   The second kind is actual servers, with actual domain namwes that are on the Internet 24 x 7, with Dreamgrid just used as a nice graphical interface to OpenSim.  Does your answer apply to both kinds?  And confirm the answer is no?  And then I have my real question.

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: again, Vincent will write something, be patient ;)

Ellemir Maven: Of course. Edison I think you can answer my question though.  I know the import IAR and OAR are manual (open a ticket). Can people backup their region to an OAR on their own or is that a ticket request ?

Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: When a grid pops up we check their website and see what we are dealing with. If it is dynamic dns then yes those do get blocked and usually stay that way unless it becomes clear they maintain a high availability, which is what the known grids page we have is partly for as well. In terms of new grids that don't use dynamic dns it comes down to their terms of service, if they have at least an email address to contact them under in case there is something we need to let them know. If that's not the case they get blocked, which often results in them contacting us to resolve it. I'd say in 75% of cases they understand the reasoning and supply that information

Ellemir Maven: Thank you.  So the answer to Georgina's question, for the part time grids, is NO they can not HG to Zeta.

Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: OARs can be requested via the web panel directly, that does not involve a ticket. If an IAR is needed, that's done on ticket request.

Ellemir Maven: and thank you Vincent.  People can backup their region any time they want.

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: Correct, we encourage people to do that.

David7 Bravin: Georgina - do you still have a question?

Georgina Mills: Same domain name and fixed IP from my ISP but outworldz domain is banned anyway, I can use an avatar from another grid and join Zetaworlds ?

Lannorra Sion: I am not very technical and your answers to this dreamgrid thing is perplexing for me.  It seems that you are saying you ban first, then if someone contacts you, you MAY allow them, is that right? and i have follow up.

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: Vincent will answer this, be patient.

Kelly4u.Lynn @hg.zetaworlds.com: May I say something to this?

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: please do Kelly

Kelly4u.Lynn @hg.zetaworlds.com: The word Ban is incorrect, they get a blocked message, If they read the pop up it directs them to the issue, Then they can fix it.

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: We always deal with anybody who is willing to work with us

Lannorra Sion: What is the issue, that they can fix ?

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: Our website lists them

Kelly4u.Lynn @hg.zetaworlds.com: Most times basic web site info

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: any basic contact info

Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: When they appear as new in the tracked list then we check what their setup is. In most cases with these setups they provide no contact information and within a day the amount of time online vs offline rarely exceeds 50% so to prevent us having to clear tons of dead endpoints from friends entries, creator data etc. then a restriction is put in place that informs them as to why they are being blocked. The problem we face is we don't want to just blankly remove anyone, but without contact information there is no way to let them know about the potential issues it can cause.

Sunbeam Magic: I have 2 questions: 1) what currency systems does Zeta use  2) how many regions per server are alloted ? and comment follow up on how many avatars one can have, do we need to write someone to get permission for more than 3 (on AAcme City I use 4,  2 are my husband's who passed away a year ago... )  each have different textures  and items needed to maintain and such Thank you.

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: We use Gloebits, that's our currency. We maintain a direct relationship with Chris Colosi. Vincent can answer 2, and on 3, you would speak with us. As we said the policy is aimed at abusers.

Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I track the server performance and if there is enough capacity left regions get deployed on them, if they are full new server or another one it is. Usually try to keep at least 30% headroom on them.

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: we have existing roleplay groups, they've spoken with us and we allow multiple alts for that purpose. What we don't like is someone who is a pest, making alts and being more of a pest. We've crossed paths with some real characters.

Sunbeam Magic: AAcme City is not a Role Play city.

Kelly4u.Lynn @hg.zetaworlds.com: I watch for and check alts. If for RP I dont need to watch them, If they seek free land or other options I do

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: we do not allow alts to take free land if the original has free land, for instance, that's cheating.

Jedburgh Dagger:   What are their policies on copybotted items brought in from other grids?

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: define copybotted, first without a takedown notice from a real creator we wouldn't know.

Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: What you do on your region is your thing. I don't play content policy. If we receive valid takedown requests for content they are investigated and acted upon accordingly. That's the legal requirement we have based on the jurisdiction, but I see regions as private property like any rented apartment so I don't go barge in unless there is good reason for it.

Han BoShi: Back to the locked accounts for DreamWorld grids, I suspect the white listing is then by grid, once one person goes through the process anyone else on that same grid is fine.

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: Han is correct for that grid

Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Yes. If we can see that a conscious effort is made to understand the implications of grid operation and the hypergrid then there is no reason to restrict them

Ellemir Maven: Someone (I think Sunbeam) was asking about regions per server.  Three of the four grids we have had present, have offered an option where we would get a dedicated server, just for our community. In the case of Zeta, that server would accommodate up to 32 regions.

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: in our original conversations we discussed that, our answers here in this meeting are more general.

Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Up to and starting at being the key words there. Depending on the scale you need there are different options. Also not out of the option to change hardware if it ends up being too small or not suited well. It's hard to nail that down to numbers when you can have 100 empty regions that use barely any resources or two regions require a whole server in themselves.

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: depends on how much land impact, how many scripts and how many people, how much area too.

Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: I did look at some options that would work and their prices already, would help to have information on how many regions you have now and what resources they consume on the machines they sit on.

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: for example we have 120 simulators running the ocean, each with 4 4x4s. but that's kind of extreme, it's not overloaded though. I hope this was helpful. I meant to say to JayR Cela, we can accommodate a Bullet region on its own, although moving scripts is kind of my personal project.

JayR Cela: I have 3 questions please..... 1. Do you offer an in world voice solution(s)? 2. Were you recently affected by the infamous grief-er Priscilla and if so how was this situation dealt with ? 3. Can a region owner move their region to another place on the world map ?

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: ah yes, what to do post-vivox, hehe, Vincent will take number 2 and 3. yes. you have to put in a ticket. Priscilla was an interesting one to defeat. I'll let Vincent explain.

Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Oh heh that one is funny. We had some fun with that on one of the estate regions, though that's easy to deal with just deleting their objects via console. It amused me greatly, reminds me of the old SL days. Just not leaving rezz rights on is all you need to combat that, though course did ban them as well

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: for 1. we're all working to find a good inworld successor to Vivox

Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com:8002: I gave Ed a number of different ban hammers to play with if they want to be crafty.

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: and I spend a lot of time tracking those kinds of miscreants

Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: A new voice in SL is already being tested, when that comes to OpenSim remains to be seen. I been working with core to try and find a way to implement it, but webrtc is a big beast to tackle and we don't yet have a full understanding of the protocol. I suspect that will take some time to resolve and not be as easy as vivox was, though it should offer much better quality. It's been discussed on mantis quite a bit and we are aware that a solution is needed now that SL is pushing it :)

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: we would be likely to adopt it early though.

Lorin Tone: OK, it was more a comment on the Vivox issue or lack thereof.  As an inworld sounds guy, I've been keeping up on that topic and a number of potential fixes are in the works, can be in touch all around on that.  end

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: thank you

Vincent.Sylvester @hg.zetaworlds.com: Vivox should still work, we don't blankly offer that. In the past we just set the registration details up when those that wanted it registered. So if you still have those we can put them in.

Alia Soulstar: First I’d like to thank Vincent, Ed and Kelly for taking the time to speak to us and answer our questions , very kind of you, thank you, you three…

Edison.Rex @hg.zetaworlds.com: you're welcome!

Alia Soulstar: And to say that I have a full summary of Zeta’s offer to us and how we would look to work with it, plus those of the other grids we heard from, when I say full, 27 pages of information and analysis,  some of which is subtle, so plenty to digest. And as Zeta is the last grid to present we are in a position to move after this meeting to discuss and come to a decision. We should make that decision within a few days. And I think it would be prudent to have another meeting this weekend, perhaps tomorrow if that can be arranged as we will all be better informed. 

David7 Bravin: THanks Alia, Vincent and Edison - Thanks again for your presentation and answering our questions (including Kelly) .......... On behalf of everyone here,  please accept our thanks for coming here today - much appreciated.

Story to continue in : My Virtual Life after 3rd Rock Grid's Closure : Part 6

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